civic
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its called an oxymoron.How can you possibly have forgiveness without repentance???? Tell us how that's possible. It's popcorn time.
Irresistible Grace
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brightfame52
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Thats gross error, Grace which has to do with God in Salvation makes alive, commences a new creation. It has nothing to do with the creatures will, but only with the Creators will. Grace finds man dead in sin, then according to Gods will, quickens or makes the dead alive Eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
The elect are saved by grace because they were made alive from the Spiritual Dead.
Prevenient grace as you describe doesnt make alive, so its tripe, worthless.
So please stop Identifying with effectual grace,, because you dont really believe it.
There is only one grace but that works in phases ie prevenient, then effectual. Yes, man is dead in sins, then grace makes alive. So Eph 2:5 supports it.
brightfame52
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False witnessing, the Grace of God in Salvation makes alive from the dead, the prevenient grace you witness of is doctrine of the devil
You're just passively reading a pre-written script regardless of what scripture says, right?
How can you have repentance if God does not grant it to you?How can you possibly have forgiveness without repentance???? Tell us how that's possible. It's popcorn time.
brightfame52
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Christ on the basis of His Covenantal Death for His People gives both repentance and forgiveness of sins as a Gift Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
To give here is in the infinitive mood which denotes:
to reflect purpose or result
He gave Israel [the elect] both legally they're forgiven, and each one will be caused to repent by the new birth of the Spirit, which commences the vital phase of salvation, procured by Christ as Saviour.
