Introducing the Spirit of our Father God: his power and presence in our lives

[APAK]

Now to add another bubble that is important.....the Spirit of God as an 'it' seals a believer. If 'it' was a person 'it' (he/she) could not seal us with its personality. There are about 5 dozens places in scripture that speak to someone/something being sealed, and there are ZERO x it means a person as this seal. I hope that is very clear.






Forgot the scripture passage:

(Eph 1:13) In whom you also believed, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation, and were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

(Eph 1:14) which is a guarantee of our inheritance, of the final redemption of God's own possession, for the praise of His glory. (NEV)

The 'which' indicates an it and not a personal pronoun. I hope that is clear.

 

[APAK]

To extend another bubble of the Spirit of God....and to at least partly address your post @synergy

The Father speaks (expresses) his internal word (s)-logos through IT, his own Spirit that extended out into his creation. IT, his Spirit thus executes and transforms these expressed words/symbols into actions, energies, powers, and forms of communication. - with intended impact or effect.

It, the Spirit of the Father God, thus can be personified as being the Father God directly with human like attributes. And thus 'he' can be used for the Father's spirit to impersonate the Father, as his intrinsic extension, to included his associated personalized human-like attributes and emotions such as possessing a will, being grieved, being sorrowful etc.

John, a Gospel writer, especially, since he introduced the logos of God being moves into a human person permanently, realized the reason for the spirit of the Father and the language to use. He was not afraid to identifying it as an 'it' and a 'he' in the same pen stroke if required. It did not change what this Spirit represents to him, and nor should it to anyone with understanding.

There are many unaltered scripture that says the Spirit of God speaks as 'he,' the Father God. The Spirit of him is still an 'it'

NEV translations....

(Act 8:29) And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near and join this chariot.
(Act 10:19) And while Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said to him: Look, three men seek you.
(1Ti 4:1) But the Spirit says expressly, that in the last times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of the idol worshippers,
(Heb 3:7) Therefore, even as the Holy Spirit said: Today, if you shall hear his voice,

(Heb 10:15) And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us. For after saying:

(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and on their minds I will write them;

(Heb 10:17) then is added: And their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more.

(Rev 2:7) He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him that overcomes, I will permit him to eat from the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God. The Letter to Smyrna

etc..

 

[Wrangler]

I will not give-way compromise, and cater, and be religiously correct that might invoke a possible outcry and an opening for any … extreme Unitarian

Believing in one God is absolute. There are no degrees of it. But I do appreciate and respect your convictions.

1Co 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man

I trust you do not hold that this portion of the verse means our spirit is a separate consciousness from the individual man. Do you?

 

[synergy]

To extend another bubble of the Spirit of God....and to at least partly address your post @synergy

The Father speaks (expresses) his internal word (s)-logos through IT, his own Spirit that extended out into his creation. IT, his Spirit thus executes and transforms these expressed words/symbols into actions, energies, powers, and forms of communication. - with intended impact or effect.

Once again I see no desire on your part to consult the Greek. That is the first thing I personally would do as the best and only foundation for building theological skyscrapers.

(Eph 1:14) who (ὅς) is the earnest of our inheritance, to the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. (MKJV)

ὅς is also a Masculine pronoun in the Greek and not a Neuter pronoun. Same case here as with John 16:13.

What really seals (pun intended) the deal is that the Bible does depict the Holy Spirit as a Person with His own will, His own mind, and He qualifying as His own Witness - something that an object "it" does not and cannot possess.

1) He has His own will. He breathes where He desires.

(John 3:8) The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.​

2) He has His own mind:

(1 Cor 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.​

3) He is His own Witness, being given by God. The Holy Spirit counts as His own entity, apart from God the Father:

(Acts 5:32) And we are His witnesses of these things. And so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.​

It, the Spirit of the Father God, thus can be personified as being the Father God directly with human like attributes. And thus 'he' can be used for the Father's spirit to impersonate the Father, as his intrinsic extension, to included his associated personalized human-like attributes and emotions such as possessing a will, being grieved, being sorrowful etc.

It takes a Person to Impersonate another Person. Since when can an object impersonate a person? A rock can impersonate our politicians' intelligence but that's as far as it goes.

John, a Gospel writer, especially, since he introduced the logos of God being moves into a human person permanently, realized the reason for the spirit of the Father and the language to use. He was not afraid to identifying it as an 'it' and a 'he' in the same pen stroke if required. It did not change what this Spirit represents to him, and nor should it to anyone with understanding.

There are many unaltered scripture that says the Spirit of God speaks as 'he,' the Father God. The Spirit of him is still an 'it'

NEV translations....

(Act 8:29) And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near and join this chariot.
(Act 10:19) And while Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said to him: Look, three men seek you.
(1Ti 4:1) But the Spirit says expressly, that in the last times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of the idol worshippers,
(Heb 3:7) Therefore, even as the Holy Spirit said: Today, if you shall hear his voice,

(Heb 10:15) And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us. For after saying:

(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and on their minds I will write them;

(Heb 10:17) then is added: And their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more.

(Rev 2:7) He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him that overcomes, I will permit him to eat from the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God. The Letter to Smyrna

etc..

Not sure how your highlighted phrases proves that the Holy Spirit is an object.

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Conclusion: The Bible does depict the Holy Spirit as a Person with His own will, His own mind, and He qualifying as His own Witness - something that an object "it" does not and cannot possess or do.

 

[APAK]

Once again I see no desire on your part to consult the Greek. That is the first thing I personally would do as the best and only foundation for building theological skyscrapers.

(Eph 1:14) who (ὅς) is the earnest of our inheritance, to the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. (MKJV)

ὅς is also a Masculine pronoun in the Greek and not a Neuter pronoun. Same case here as with John 16:13.

What really seals (pun intended) the deal is that the Bible does depict the Holy Spirit as a Person with His own will, His own mind, and He qualifying as His own Witness - something that an object "it" does not and cannot possess.

1) He has His own will. He breathes where He desires.

(John 3:8) The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.​

2) He has His own mind:

(1 Cor 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.​

3) He is His own Witness, being given by God. The Holy Spirit counts as His own entity, apart from God the Father:

(Acts 5:32) And we are His witnesses of these things. And so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.​

It takes a Person to Impersonate another Person. Since when can an object impersonate a person? A rock can impersonate our politicians' intelligence but that's as far as it goes.

Not sure how your highlighted phrases proves that the Holy Spirit is an object.

Conclusion: The Bible does depict the Holy Spirit as a Person with His own will, His own mind, and He qualifying as His own Witness - something that an object "it" does not and cannot possess or do.

Edited abounds

 

[APAK]

Believing in one God is absolute. There are no degrees of it. But I do appreciate and respect your convictions.


I trust you do not hold that this portion of the verse means our spirit is a separate consciousness from the individual man. Do you?

1Co 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man

This is scripture you are contesting with here. I do not understand your point at all. They are not my words...I'm very confused with your post.
Why do you not understand this scripture? Do you want me to explain it to you Wrangler?

 

[Wrangler]

1Co 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man

This is scripture you are contesting with here. I do not understand your point at all. They are not my words...I'm very confused with your post.
Why do you not understand this scripture? Do you want me to explain it to you Wrangler?

Not really an answer to my question. Yes or no - do you take this verse to mean ‘the spirit of man’ is a separate consciousness from the man who is having the thoughts?

1 Corinthians 2:11

Contemporary English Version

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11 You are the only one who knows what is in your own mind, and God's Spirit is the only one who knows what is in God's mind.

 

[APAK]

Not really an answer to my question. Yes or no - do you take this verse to mean ‘the spirit of man’ is a separate consciousness from the man who is having the thoughts?

1 Corinthians 2:11​

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Contemporary English Version​

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11 You are the only one who knows what is in your own mind, and God's Spirit is the only one who knows what is in God's mind.

Isn't it clear it is the same person/spirit. You know your mind or thoughts, and no other man or woman.

I'm really surprised you are probing me with this line of reasoning that you somehow assume I do not know what it means. And again I still do not know your point and what you mean after several posts.

And why did you mention, 'Believing in one God is absolute. There are no degrees of it. But I do appreciate and respect your convictions.'

So what are you insinuating here, and how does it apply to me? What does degrees of God mean??

I need to move on Wrangler, if you really cannot explain yourself succinctly. Thanks

 

[APAK]

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Eve, not to ignore at all...what did you mean by feminine spirit?

 

[synergy]

delusion of grandeur and confusion abounds....

Carry on with your Ad Hominems and with your running away from the Greek and from verses like John 3:8, Acts 5:32, and 1 Cor 2:11.

 

[APAK]

Carry on with your Ad Hominems and with your running away from the Greek and from verses like John 3:8, Acts 5:32, and 1 Cor 2:11.

Look synergy, I do not need to see the Greek. I'm sure you can guess why. Ex. A translator alters the neuter gender pronoun for wind or spirit to a male he, and then you get this info and produce the Greek for me to say see... So what have you achieved? You use a deliberately altered statement or word and now propagate it as if you are now an authority, sounding so proper.

And you must not have read my post because if you did you would have read my rational for why Spirit is personalized and possessing human traits. I even cited some scripture.

That's why I will not give it much air time...

 

[APAK]

Another bubble and an update...The Spirit of God of course is only given by the Father God. Sounds redundant and self-explanatory, although I would not count on it as it can become suddenly entangled in a barberry bush of the personage (Triune god) of Trinitarianism.

(2Ti 1:7) For God did not give us a spirit of fearfulness, but of power and love and a disciplined mind.

This also indicates and strongly implies that not only the Spirit of Father God is part of Father God, as an 'it,' it also means this Spirit of Father God means it is but only a portion of it, not given in full measure, given in a specific type and amount for his purpose.

 

[civic]

Jesus clearly said He was sending the Holy Spirit.

John 16:7-9
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me

 

[civic]

Luke 24:49
And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”

 

[APAK]

Another bubble and an update...The Spirit of God of course is only given by the Father God. Sounds redundant and self-explanatory, although I would not count on it as it can become suddenly entangled in a barberry bush of the personage (Triune god) of Trinitarianism.

(2Ti 1:7) For God did not give us a spirit of fearfulness, but of power and love and a disciplined mind.

This also indicates and strongly implies that not only the Spirit of Father God is part of Father God, as an 'it,' it also means this Spirit of Father God means it is but only a portion of it, not given in full measure, given in a specific type and amount for his purpose.

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And to add scripture to support that we have the Spirit of God via the Son's Spirit.

(1Jn 5:19) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

(1Jn 5:20) And we know that the Son of God came, and has given us an understanding so that we truly know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Again where it reads God, it means Father God, and where it says 'truly know him' it refers to the previous verse, knowing the Father God, the true God and eternal life.

 

[synergy]

And to add scripture to support that we have the Spirit of God via the Son's Spirit.

(1Jn 5:19) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

(1Jn 5:20) And we know that the Son of God came, and has given us an understanding so that we truly know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Again where it reads God, it means Father God, and where it says 'truly know him' it refers to the previous verse, knowing the Father God, the true God and eternal life.

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Where are you going to put John 3:8, Acts 5:32, and 1 Cor 2:11 that prove that the Holy Spirit has His own will, His own mind, and He qualifying as His own Witness - something that an object "it" does not and cannot possess or do.

 

[APAK]

Luke 24:49
And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.”

civic, this is a case of you not realizing that when the Son or even a prophet or angel says he will send or do something, it is the Father who is doing all the doing...see OT background

Jesus also said he will rebuild the Temple (his body) in 3 days. Of course we know this was the Father's doing. right? Jesus had faith his Father would raise him from the dead.

Same here in the last two posts of yours, Jesus will get his Father to send a portion of his Spirit to believers. I thought you might understand this already.

And in Luke 24:49 it is practically giving this thought away. "....just as my Father promised...' The Father is doing the heavy lifting as usual, as he is the only God.

 

[APAK]

Where are you going to put John 3:8, Acts 5:32, and 1 Cor 2:11 that prove that the Holy Spirit has His own will, His own mind, and He qualifying as His own Witness - something that an object "it" does not and cannot possess or do.

What that again?
(Joh 3:8) The wind blows where it wills, and you hear its sound, but do not know from where it comes and where it goes. So is every one that is born of the Spirit. (NEV). This deserves a new bubble synergy....or maybe just keep it under the INVISIBLE bubble already assigned...thx

(Act 5:32) And we are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, which God has given to those that obey Him. (NEV)

So the Father God gave his Spirit and is personified as the witness. Well I could add in a new bubble and call it..."IT is SOMETIMES PERSONIFIED" bubble....thx I will add this one and others....

(1Co 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man, save the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the things of God nobody knows, save the Spirit of God. (NEV)

This last one does not need a new bubble. I will attach it to the existing primal major one...."IT IS THE EXTERNAL (INTERNAL) INTELLIGENT POWER and PRESENCE OF GOD IN HIS CREATION" in fact 1 Cor 2:10-11..more complete

thx..

.last change..better yet @synergy .the last one will be attached to the bubble " IT KNOWS - the mind and word (self expression) of Father God - HIMSELF" MUCH BETTER choice

 

[APAK]

Update....

(1Co 2:10) God revealed them to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

(1Co 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man, save the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the things of God nobody knows, save the Spirit of God. (NEV)

 

[APAK]

another update..John 3:8

(Joh 3:8) The wind blows where it wills, and you hear its sound, but do not know from where it comes and where it goes. So is every one that is born of the Spirit.