Introducing the Spirit of our Father God: his power and presence in our lives

[APAK]

Carry on with thinking that it's the wind and not the Spirit that has its own will. Edit By admin

Furthermore, you continue to run away from Acts 5:32 and 1 Cor 2:11.

Legally and judicially, your personified witness comments about Acts 5:32 have no merit. Only an actual person qualifies as a witness, not a personified object. You would be laughed out of court.

1 Cor 2:11 says that the Spirit of God knows the things of God. Historically, the only objects that were promoted as knowing the things of God were graven images. Are you into esteeming objects that way?

You need to address and stop running away from your deficient aerodynamic, Greek, legal, judicial, and historical misunderstandings.

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[APAK]

the evil realm, because of adam, copied every eden concept, and that will end now. So I would not say 'neutral' (see below about the ITs as to why) but lightning's a good analogy you made. the EM plasma torus related to the current reality however is the evil realm's copy, being the mimic realm.

the enemy realm has a concept of the soul as an IT (without any signature of a he or she or individual qualities - souless)... and transferred their type soul concept to God... That is the nature of demons: having no signature.

So that last part of the post....this concept of the soul as an IT. Are we speaking here of copies of the DNA and its recreation of a thing called a soul without any connection to God. If this is case, then that has already been done. These creatures are like mindless zombies.

 

[civic]

How old are you, barely 20 ? I might be close. You need to settle down and listen to what is the subject and being said, without constantly going wild and ballistic. You don't have many table manners I see.

John 3:8 is not the typical verse where πνεῦμα (pneuma) is used. Think man, think....


John 3:8 N-NNS
GRK: τὸ πνεῦμα ὅπου θέλει
NAS: The wind blows where
KJV: The wind bloweth where
INT: The wind where it wills

John 3:34 N-ANS
GRK: δίδωσιν τὸ πνεῦμα
NAS: for He gives the Spirit without
KJV: giveth not the Spirit by measure
INT: he gives the Spirit

Yes, the majority of time it is translated as spirit. How would it sound if Jesus said :
(Joh 3:8) The spirit blows where it wills, and you hear its sound, but do not know from where it comes and where it goes. So is every one that is born of the Spirit. (NEV)

Do you want to change this verse with spirit instead of wind. Nuts!

Now go get an ice cream and stop annoying this thread and me with your annoying whine. Try to be more productive and a team player of say an opposing side if you wish.

You can differ and communicate it with some class and finesse doing it... that may be Greek to you as well...and they you lack these Greek skills...

ok I see how this started above as you identified the spirit as wind which was his point that was made from your post. calling an adult 20 is an ad hominem as I'm sure you would agree since you are addressing the person instead of attacking his argument. I see several personal attacks in your comments. I will ask the @Administrator to get involved since he is the admin along with a few other moderators and not me. This is his area whereas I just like to post and interact with the members not get involved here in these situations. That is why I have a few moderators to handle these conflicts.

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[civic]

Maybe both @synergy and @APAK should just ignore each others posts for a while until things settle down. I know I have done this in the past on other forums. It takes two to tango. And if we are letting our flesh take over it just escalates things. If we are living by the spirit then it will deescalate things. Just my 2 cents here fwiw. Love covers a multitude of sins. Love is a fruit of the spirit. Love shows itself as 1 Cor 13 does and Galatians 5:22. The flesh wants to get back and get even with others.

hope this helps !!!

 

[APAK]

ok I see how this started above as you identified the spirit as wind which was his point that was made from your post. calling an adult 20 is an ad hominem as I'm sure you would agree since you are addressing the person instead of attacking his argument. I see several personal attacks in your comments. I will ask the @Administrator to get involved since he is the admin along with a few other moderators and not me. This is his area whereas I just like to post and interact with the members not get involved here in these situations. That is why I have a few moderators to handle these conflicts.

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Stop it already....I never identified the spirit as being the wind...it is an analogy..you do know this right
..enough of this nonsense..

I will just ignore him and you if necessary.

 

[civic]

Edit my admin

John 3:8 is not the typical verse where πνεῦμα (pneuma) is used. Think man, think....


John 3:8 N-NNS
GRK: τὸ πνεῦμα ὅπου θέλει
NAS: The wind blows where
KJV: The wind bloweth where
INT: The wind where it wills

John 3:34 N-ANS
GRK: δίδωσιν τὸ πνεῦμα
NAS: for He gives the Spirit without
KJV: giveth not the Spirit by measure
INT: he gives the Spirit

Yes, the majority of time it is translated as spirit. How would it sound if Jesus said :
(Joh 3:8) The spirit blows where it wills, and you hear its sound, but do not know from where it comes and where it goes. So is every one that is born of the Spirit. (NEV)

Do you want to change this verse with spirit instead of wind. Nuts!

Now go get an ice cream and stop annoying this thread and me with your annoying whine. Try to be more productive and a team player of say an opposing side if you wish.

You can differ and communicate it with some class and finesse doing it... that may be Greek to you as well...and they you lack these Greek skills...

You did not say its wind in this post ?

I bolded it above in blue.

 

[APAK]

You did not say its wind in this post ?

I bolded it above in blue.

Enough ...read post #74.....

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/introducing-the-spirit-of-our-father-god-his-power-and-presence-in-our-lives.891/post-26639

Do I have to restate it in every post just for you and those that are 'slow.'.....moving on, as I should have before

 

[civic]

Enough ...read post #74.....

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/introducing-the-spirit-of-our-father-god-his-power-and-presence-in-our-lives.891/post-26639

Do I have to restate it in every post just for you and those that are 'slow.'.....moving on, as I should have before

ok I will look at post 74- thanks for the reference.

 

[synergy]

Enough ...read post #74.....

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/introducing-the-spirit-of-our-father-god-his-power-and-presence-in-our-lives.891/post-26639

Do I have to restate it in every post just for you and those that are 'slow.'.....moving on, as I should have before

You wrote:

The use of the term 'wind' with a few of its characteristics given by Jesus in this verse is an analogy for the Spirit (of God) and not a personification of human traits for the Spirit of God as there is none given in this example.

Lets go with that for argument's sake and see where it leads us. So just like the wind (as you say) has its own will (as the verse says), "so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” What is analogous to the wind's will? The Spirit's will. Conclusion: The Spirit has its own will.

 

[civic]

For those, or one, that I see might be a little confused, between a personification of the Spirit of God and an analogy of it, here is the same example I already gave and logged.

(Joh 3:8) The wind blows where it wills, and you hear its sound, but do not know from where it comes and where it goes. So is every one that is born of the Spirit. (NEV)

The use of the term 'wind' with a few of its characteristics given by Jesus in this verse is an analogy for the Spirit (of God) and not a personification of human traits for the Spirit of God as there is none given in this example.

The wind is uncontrollable to us, invisible, felt or experienced and yet its course and source is unknown or not readily apparent - as with the Spirit of God. One invisible 'it' or thing is used to analogize another invisible 'it.' Logical and well understood. Believers experience this spiritual wind of the Father God every moment of their lives, whether sensed or not, registered or not, from or via the spirit of the Son within their human spirit, right into and through their heart. Talk about a spiritual bonding action.

Now I wonder why a brief basic science/physics explanation for how wind forms was requires at all. It is irrelevant here. Is someone trying to show off....?

If this person wants a lesson in that department I can give it, in a different forum, as my background was in Aerospace and Astronautical engineering. I hope this person understands boundary layer theory, thermodynamics, heat transfer and aerodynamics, with gradients at various temperatures. And maybe chuck in the Coriolis effect that influences much higher altitude forms of air movements. Why not give the entire picture for free....

Now an example of the personification of the Spirit, and there are many in scripture OT and NT

(Eph 5:18) And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit. (NEV)

Fill up and get drunk on the Spirit rather that wine. The Spirit is associated with a human activity of getting drunk. Personification...

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And with this one openly defiant soul, at least, that defies the truth and does not even consider that the Spirit of God is not an independent 'person.' that cannot be logically concluded within scripture. 'It' this Spirit, this holy and divine Spirit, is part of the Father God. Loud ridicule and stomping ones feet is all that is done to try and deafen the truth from the ears. Good luck with that....This is no cure for this spiritual disease.

---oh well what else is new--------------

your wind/spirit argument has validity for the effects of both wind/spirit.

but you once again made it personal with the Ad homs which I'm sure you can admit were uncalled for right ?

everyone needs to just address the opposing argument not the person and all will be fine. And I know its at times easier said than done as I have been guilty of the same myself. none of us are perfect but we can strive to be better people and treat others kindly.

 

[civic]

You wrote:

The use of the term 'wind' with a few of its characteristics given by Jesus in this verse is an analogy for the Spirit (of God) and not a personification of human traits for the Spirit of God as there is none given in this example.

Lets go with that for argument's sake and see where it leads us. So just like the wind (as you say) has its own will, "so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” What is analogous to the wind's will? The Spirit's will. Conclusion: The Spirit has its own will.

I'm not seeing this can you point me to with a link or post number where he says the wind has a will ?

as far as I know his position is the wind/spirit are an it not a who. so there would be no will involved with the wind/spirit.

 

[synergy]

I'm not seeing this can you point me to with a link or post number where he says the wind has a will ?

as far as I know his position is the wind/spirit are an it not a who. so there would be no will involved with the wind/spirit.

It's the Bible verse that says that, as you pointed out earlier. I follow what scripture says.

 

[APAK]

Update:



We worship the Father in his Spirit...IT causes us to worship the Father God

(Joh 4:23) But the hour comes and now is, when true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such worshipers are who the Father seeks.

 

[civic]

Update:

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We worship the Father in his Spirit...IT causes us to worship the Father God

(Joh 4:23) But the hour comes and now is, when true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such worshipers are who the Father seeks.

nice except for it good stuff APAX.

 

[APAK]

Update:


The Spirit of the Father within a believer assists us in when and what to speak...IT speaks the word of the Father within us.

As it spoke and still speaks within Christ the word of Father God.

(Mat 10:19) But when they deliver you up, do not be anxious how or what you shall speak, for it shall be given to you at that time what to speak.

(Mat 10:20) For it is not you that speaks, but the Spirit of your Father that speaks in you.

 

[civic]

The spirit of Christ is synonymous with and equal to the spirit of God and the spirit of the Father.

 

[APAK]

Update of a harder concept to grasp: pay attention and see if you can find more examples in scripture..



The use of synonymous parallelism in scripture is a common form used in Hebraic poetry style of writing especially in the OT, and also found in some places of the NT.

Usually found in the same verse or adjoining verses and this time over two verses spread apart although speaking the same thought, of the same person (can be the same things) source.

The Spirit of God and the Father God are synonymously in parallel with each other as used in Act 5:4 and 5:9. Peter spoke of Father God as the one person through his Spirit being lied to.

(Act 5:1) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
(Act 5:2) and with his wife's knowledge kept back part of the proceeds, and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet.
(Act 5:3) And Peter said: Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land?
(Act 5:4) While it remained, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your power? How is it you have conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God.
(Act 5:5) And Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came upon all that heard it.
(Act 5:6) And the young men arose and wrapped him up, and they carried him out and buried him.
(Act 5:7) And it was about the space of three hours after when his wife, not knowing what had happed, came in.
(Act 5:8) And Peter said to her: Tell me whether you sold the land for so much. And she said: Yes, for so much.
(Act 5:9) But Peter said to her: How is it you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those that have buried your husband are at the door; and they shall carry you out.

IT ( the Spirit of God) then is used as part of the synonymous parallelism in scripture for the Father God and his Spirit. This time over or in two different verses.

 

[Administrator]

Please refrain from discussing other members in your posts.

 

[APAK]

Please refrain from discussing other members in your posts.

Copy that.....mouth got ahead of my mind

 

[APAK]

Update to an even harder area concerning the Spirit of God....




And maybe a more difficult concept and reality concerning the Spirit of the Father God. This Spirit of power and presence can take many forms and of this one type here:

Within it, the Spirit of God is found layers of functions or states that can empower and possess a person. Yahshua today is empowered by all these states of power.

There are at least seven layered functions within the Spirit - spirit of wisdom, spirit of understanding, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of might, the spirit of knowledge and the spirit of the fear of the Lord God.

(Rev 1:4) John to the seven churches that are in Asia. Grace to you and peace, from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits that are before His throne. (NEV)
(Rev 4:5) And out of the throne proceeded lightnings, voices and thunders. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.(NEV)

The 7 spirits are actually within the entire Spirit form or structure. The Spirit is composed of spirits (lower case) and other energies or forms.

As another reference on this subject:
(Isa 11:2) The Spirit of Yahweh will rest on him: the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Yahweh.(NEV)

These 7 spirits at least, are within Yahshua of the Father today.

So,..IT (the entire Spirit) has distinguishable spirits embedded within itself that serve the Father.