'In' Christ Jesus

[Complete]

'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Cor. 1:30-31)

Hello there,

Looking up the verses above, I wanted to consider the words, 'in Christ Jesus'. These verses tell us that it is of God that we are 'in' Christ Jesus: it is God Himself that places the believer there. This was such a blessing to me, when I first read it, and realised the import of it. For I had been asked by other Christians on numerous occasions, 'are you in Christ?' and I would fret about it, looking within to see evidence of my salvation, and of course all I saw was my own natural state, which left me feeling conflicted and unhappy. I had yet to learn this wonderful truth, that God had placed me in Christ Jesus Himself, so yes of course I was 'in' Him, regardless of the lack of visible evidence in my flesh or in my feelings, which were fickle. It is a faith position, and one that I am thankful for.

It is Christ Jesus Who is our righteousness; and He is also our sanctification, in Him we are perfect and complete as to our 'standing' before God; and in Him we now wait for resurrection, i,e., the redemption of our bodies from the power of the grave ( Rom. 8:23; Eph. 4:30 ).

I would be interested to hear anything that you have to contribute on this subject.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Fred]

'in Christ Jesus'.

I would add the above to the quotation below:

New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNTT): Phrases such as en kyriō, en pneumati, en heni sōmati, en pistei and en alētheia indicate states which Christians live and act (3:1191, Appendix F. "en" 4. Figurative Sense, M. J. Harris).

en kyriō = in (the) Lord
en pneumati = in (the) Spirit
en heni sōmati = in one body
en pistei = in faith
en alētheia = in truth

 

[civic]

I would add the above to the quotation below:

New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNTT): Phrases such as en kyriō, en pneumati, en heni sōmati, en pistei and en alētheia indicate states which Christians live and act (3:1191, Appendix F. "en" 4. Figurative Sense, M. J. Harris).

en kyriō = in (the) Lord
en pneumati = in (the) Spirit
en heni sōmati = in one body
en pistei = in faith
en alētheia = in truth

notice how it all surrounds Christ !

our faith must be in Christ
our salvation is based upon Christ
we were created in Christ for good works
one must confess He is Lord to be saved
He is the vine we must be in to produce fruit
He is before all things and in Him all things exist.
We are called CHRISTians, not Fatherians

As Jesus taught its all about Him from cover to cover in our 66 books.

yet we have a sect that dishonors the Son robbing Him of His power, glory, honor, praise, worship and prayer.

 

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@Fred
@civic,

'Abide in me, and I in you.
As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye, except ye abide in me.'
(Joh 15:4)

Hello both,

Thank you for your input. It is helpful.

I anticipated the verse above being brought forward in regard to the subject of being, 'in' Christ, and thought I would take a look at it's context in anticipation:-

' I am the vine, ye are the branches:
He that abideth in Me, and I in him,
the same bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in Me,
he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
and men gather them,
and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.'
(Joh 15:5-6)

* Here speaking to His disciples ('I' & 'ye'), the Lord says that there are two kinds of branches, one that bears no fruit, and one that does. The former He raises up that it may bear fruit, and the latter He prunes that it may bear more.
* In verse six the Lord is not referring to His disciples, but to the wider audience ('a man', 'he') to those who abide not in Him, for his words become more generalized.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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@civic,

'yet we have a sect that dishonors the Son robbing Him of His power, glory, honor, praise, worship and prayer'

Yes, I agree, @civic,

It is distressing to see subject headings listed on the front page as you enter the forum, which are evidence of sheer unbelief, and more so within the threads themselves. It is grievous to a believer to see the Lord Jesus Christ used and abused in this way. Thankfully there are those who are upholding the truth too.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[praise_yeshua]

notice how it all surrounds Christ !

our faith must be in Christ
our salvation is based upon Christ
we were created in Christ for good works
one must confess He is Lord to be saved
He is the vine we must be in to produce fruit
He is before all things and in Him all things exist.
We are called CHRISTians, not Fatherians

As Jesus taught its all about Him from cover to cover in our 66 books.

yet we have a sect that dishonors the Son robbing Him of His power, glory, honor, praise, worship and prayer.

You know Mary Magdalene loved Jesus. You can see it in her reaction after His death.

John 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
John 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

If we are a student of the Scriptures, we can easily recognize that Jesus never told disciples like Mary and John.....

Stop loving me so much and give your love to the Father. If Jesus wasn't equal with the Father, then Mary and John committed idolatry.

Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

 

[Fred]

notice how it all surrounds Christ !

our faith must be in Christ
our salvation is based upon Christ
we were created in Christ for good works
one must confess He is Lord to be saved
He is the vine we must be in to produce fruit
He is before all things and in Him all things exist.
We are called CHRISTians, not Fatherians

As Jesus taught its all about Him from cover to cover in our 66 books.

yet we have a sect that dishonors the Son robbing Him of His power, glory, honor, praise, worship and prayer.

The evidence is everywhere.

 

[civic]

The evidence is everywhere.

Some still deny the undeniable

 

[Complete]

'Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ,
to all the saints in Christ Jesus
which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.'
(Php 1:1)

Hello there,

My mind is still coming back to the words, 'In' Christ Jesus, and pondering it.

Last night I began reading Philippians, and again, my mind became preoccupied by the words, 'in Christ Jesus' in the very first verse (above): and in the margin of my Bible I was directed to an appendix at the back of the Bible in relation to those words, and it said that 'en' translated 'in', denotes being or remaining within, with the primary idea of rest and continuance. It has regard to place and space (eg., Mat. 10:16 & Luk.5:16), It covered other aspects as well, but this was sufficient for what I wanted to know. The essence of the meaning. It is wonderful to know that God has placed us in Christ Jesus, that 'in' Him, we have been identified with Him so closely, that we are reckoned by God to have died with Him, been buried, quickened and raised with Him, and ascended to God's right hand where we, as members of His body, are in Him, awaiting His appearing, when we too will appear with Him in glory.

I still wonder and glory in the completeness of this reckoning of God, which is all of faith, His faith. He has encircled us by His precious Son, in Whom we are accepted and complete, and assured future resurrection glory. The security of that position is so very sure, for we are, 'in' Him, far above all principality, power, might and dominion and every name that is named.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Fred]

I think a parallel expression is "in the Lord" which is always used in reference to Jesus in the New Testament.

 

[Complete]

'If ye then be risen with Christ,
seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, Who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.
(Col 3:1-4)

Praise God!

 

[jeremiah1five]

'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Cor. 1:30-31)

Hello there,

Looking up the verses above, I wanted to consider the words, 'in Christ Jesus'. These verses tell us that it is of God that we are 'in' Christ Jesus: it is God Himself that places the believer there. This was such a blessing to me, when I first read it, and realised the import of it. For I had been asked by other Christians on numerous occasions, 'are you in Christ?' and I would fret about it, looking within to see evidence of my salvation, and of course all I saw was my own natural state, which left me feeling conflicted and unhappy. I had yet to learn this wonderful truth, that God had placed me in Christ Jesus Himself, so yes of course I was 'in' Him, regardless of the lack of visible evidence in my flesh or in my feelings, which were fickle. It is a faith position, and one that I am thankful for.

It is Christ Jesus Who is our righteousness; and He is also our sanctification, in Him we are perfect and complete as to our 'standing' before God; and in Him we now wait for resurrection, i,e., the redemption of our bodies from the power of the grave ( Rom. 8:23; Eph. 4:30 ).

I would be interested to hear anything that you have to contribute on this subject.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

It is more important that Christ be "in you."