How do the unsaved suffer forever in hell without the Tree of Life?

[charismaticlady]

Adam and Eve were told by God to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil for if they ate of it, they would surely die. Atheists argue that our God lied. But what died as soon as Adam sinned was his spirit and soul, the reason why his descendants are born with a sin nature. They must be born again to live eternally, and not sin, 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 1:7. Born again Christians do not have a sin nature, but a clean nature, John 15:3 that partakes of the divine nature of God 2 Peter 1:4. Those who preach we will always have a sin nature are preaching a false doctrine. But it fills their pews $.

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[e v e]

Adam and Eve were told by God to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil for if they ate of it, they would surely die. Atheists argue that our God lied. But what died as soon as Adam sinned was his spirit and soul, the reason why his descendants are born with a sin nature. They must be born again to live eternally, and not sin, 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 1:7. Born again Christians do not have a sin nature, but a clean nature, John 15:3 that partakes of the divine nature of God 2 Peter 1:4. Those who preach we will always have a sin nature are preaching a false doctrine. But it fills their pews $.

Anyone have a comment on the Title?

many if not all souls from eden will go Home.

the title is not true.

 

[e v e]

Adam and Eve were told by God to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil for if they ate of it, they would surely die. Atheists argue that our God lied. But what died as soon as Adam sinned was his spirit and soul, the reason why his descendants are born with a sin nature. They must be born again to live eternally, and not sin, 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 1:7. Born again Christians do not have a sin nature, but a clean nature, John 15:3 that partakes of the divine nature of God 2 Peter 1:4. Those who preach we will always have a sin nature are preaching a false doctrine. But it fills their pews $.

Anyone have a comment on the Title?

all humans on this current earth not made by God are in a flesh body not made by God = sin.

When we are rescued by Christ from this earth at rapture then we will be saved.

 

[Keiw1]

all humans on this current earth not made by God are in a flesh body not made by God = sin.

When we are rescued by Christ from this earth at rapture then we will be saved.

Gods word says ( great crowd( Rev 7:9_ of other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold( little flock)-- do not leave the Earth( Prov 2:21-22)--Its the little flock( Luke 10:16) that make up the 144,000 who are bought from the Earth( Rev 14:3)--these go to heaven= the anointed bride= Will rule as kings and priests on thrones beside Jesus( Rev 1:6 and Rev 20:6)The great crowd of other sheep who are not of that fold= Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the Earth( Matt 5:5)( only ones mentioned to be saved).
At Rev 21:1=New heavens-New Earth= Gods kingdom rule over all creation, everything back to perfection including a paradise( Eden) Earth, with life everlasting.
There is no literal place of eternal suffering out of a God of love, merciful, forgiving. It was symbolism. Gods justice scales alone prove it 100%.

 

[e v e]

Gods word says ( great crowd( Rev 7:9_ of other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold( little flock)-- do not leave the Earth( Prov 2:21-22)--Its the little flock( Luke 10:16) that make up the 144,000 who are bought from the Earth( Rev 14:3)--these go to heaven= the anointed bride= Will rule as kings and priests on thrones beside Jesus( Rev 1:6 and Rev 20:6)The great crowd of other sheep who are not of that fold= Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the Earth( Matt 5:5)( only ones mentioned to be saved).
At Rev 21:1=New heavens-New Earth= Gods kingdom rule over all creation, everything back to perfection including a paradise( Eden) Earth, with life everlasting.
There is no literal place of eternal suffering out of a God of love, merciful, forgiving. It was symbolism. Gods justice scales alone prove it 100%.

the crowd is not the 144k but the majority of jacob = modern christianity left behind.

this earth will only be fit for rats and moles and will not be restored. ever.

the sons will restore eden in the other reality
and will visit jacob (imprisoned this matrix earth) during trib with christ
and after their deaths jacob will be brought to eden.

eden was never on this earth. and is not on this earth.

all the 144k will be restored to ieue and to His feminine spirit, our mother,
and
to each other,
that being all the sons and daughters of eden paradise

finally restored to our home
and rescued from this foreign land.

 

[e v e]

rapture is our restoration at trumpets
from
this foreign land

soon

 

[e v e]

i have never been or will be jw
though
some have accused me of being jw because of
my connection to His lovely 144k.
melt.

i think many of jw and other groups
be will be saved from here
(as jacob or maybe some as 144)

the leaders of protestantism (including jw)
are the ones in trouble.

souls themselves are innocent
and are led astray by those pastors
of the corrupt scroll

 

[Keiw1]

the crowd is not the 144k but the majority of jacob = modern christianity left behind.

this earth will only be fit for rats and moles and will not be restored. ever.

the sons will restore eden in the other reality
and will visit jacob (imprisoned this matrix earth) during trib with christ
and after their deaths jacob will be brought to eden.

eden was never on this earth. and is not on this earth.

all the 144k will be restored to ieue and to His feminine spirit, our mother,
and
to each other,
that being all the sons and daughters of eden paradise

finally restored to our home
and rescued from this foreign land.

I said the great crowd is not apart of that fold( little flock( Luke 17:26)-the great crowd cannot be numbered( Rev 7:9)--the little flock is numbered=144,000 bought from the Earth( Rev 14:3) to heaven. The great crowd remains on Earth( Matt 5:5-Prov 2:21-22)-- Psalm 37:9,11,29

 

[e v e]

I said the great crowd is not apart of that fold( little flock( Luke 17:26)-the great crowd cannot be numbered( Rev 7:9)--the little flock is numbered=144,000 bought from the Earth( Rev 14:3) to heaven. The great crowd remains on Earth( Matt 5:5-Prov 2:21-22)-- Psalm 37:9,11,29

can you reply to the points i made?
thank you if so.

 

[Dizerner]

In this life, sadly, the saints cannot say they are without sin, but just progress in overcoming the old nature.

Hell is eternal suffering for those who reject Jesus Christ as payment for their sins.

 

[e v e]

there is no overcoming sin or making progress by simply
trying not to sin, since this very body is the fallen/sin nature...
its a bit like asking a prisoner to purify their prison cell
... how can a mostly unfree soul be expected to perform
being good if shackled? not workable. and yes, this
earth itself IS the prison.

as for somewhere written here that the unsaved suffer in hell etc..
yet remain alive..somehow able to suffer pain in hell forever.

that 'hellfire' judgment refers to esau (not God's souls anyway, never made
by God!), AND to serpents.

well thats just esau's fabrication... most eden souls (coming from God) will be
rescued from here, and brought back to their Eden paradise and home,
and restored to the body made by God.. (though for some that
will be after trib and not part of rapture soon...)

most of those meeting the bad end are not even eden souls
but serpents, esau, some pastors having aligned to esau
and on purpose evilly misleading souls, who believed
them and had to go through tribulation.

those do not want Him are mostly not from Him, and
made the active choice, do not want Him anyway..
have a different Nature altogether...
the hell meme is pure bullying from Esau...
invented to keep souls in line...

most souls have no idea of anything
other than 'the fear of hell'
and being constantly called sinners.... by? ....
other even worse sinners = egos.

 

[e v e]

and also there are those following esau's sorcery kjv....
and so they are worshiping something they call 'god'
but which is not God... and some of those worshiping
according to the KJV DO NOT want God..anyway,
like much more the various bait and switch options
esau has so helpfully laid out, causing all this synchro mystical
nonsense, all over youtube --
many preferring the mimic version of god .

 

[charismaticlady]

but just progress in overcoming the old nature.

What a braggart! You talk like you are in control of overcoming the old nature. You're not! Go hang up your heroes cape! Whatever coolaid you are drinking blasphemes God.

 

[dwight92070]

What a braggart! You talk like you are in control of overcoming the old nature. You're not! Go hang up your heroes cape! Whatever coolaid you are drinking blasphemes God.

As usual you're confused and still hanging onto your false teaching. One of the fruits of the Spirit is self-control - so Yes, we CAN control our desire to sin, but sometimes, we fail, just as you do charismaticlady, claiming that you no longer sin, which is lying.

 

[charismaticlady]

As usual you're confused and still hanging onto your false teaching. One of the fruits of the Spirit is self-control - so Yes, we CAN control our desire to sin, but sometimes, we fail, just as you do charismaticlady, claiming that you no longer sin, which is lying.

You would have to be born again of the SPIRIT to experience what I mean. Then the Scriptures come alive and you can read about your experience. That didn't happen to me for the first 30 years of going to church. But I sought it, and He took over. Dwight, don't you know that few there are that find this? Don't be one of those who Jesus will say I never knew you. Believe the Bible, not your false teachers.

You are not the author and finisher of your faith!

 

[360watt]

Paul wrote about not doing what he should be doing, long after being converted.

Paul rebuked the Corinthians, who were out of decency and order in practicing spiritual gifts and were abusing the Lord's Supper, incorporating past pagan traditions into the church at Corinth. But they would have been mostly converted Christians at Corinth.

There are many other examples in the bible of those battling with the sin nature after conversion. David is another who fell into lust and ordered a just man murdered.

Job had the right perspective on his suffering for a while and then began to blame God and God had to set him straight.

Today, any one person who is converted would have had many ungodly thoughts in one day. They may have also prayed to overcome them and may not have acted on them, but it was still sinful thinking.

 

[charismaticlady]

Paul wrote about not doing what he should be doing, long after being converted.

Hi, watt

Did you know that the verse you are referring to written by Paul was not his current situation? Romans 7:14-25, the span of Scripture you are quoting from were those in the current and past who were still in the flesh. That showed they still had the desire to sin even though they knew the Mosaic law and knew it was wrong.

But Paul teaches throughout that we are not in the flesh. He teaches this even in the same chapter! Why not read in context? Look at the same chapter verses 5-6 that IS about Paul's current self. "5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." Can you see that Paul is looking back but presently not in the flesh. If that doesn't convince you, and you are hung up on the word "I" then look and Romans 8:2 and 9 and see how he is still writing in present tense by is no longer in the flesh.

Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[360watt]

Hi, watt

Did you know that the verse you are referring to written by Paul was not his current situation? Romans 7:14-25, the span of Scripture you are quoting from were those in the current and past who were still in the flesh. That showed they still had the desire to sin even though they knew the Mosaic law and knew it was wrong.

But Paul teaches throughout that we are not in the flesh. He teaches this even in the same chapter! Why not read in context? Look at the same chapter verses 5-6 that IS about Paul's current self. "5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." Can you see that Paul is looking back but presently not in the flesh. If that doesn't convince you, and you are hung up on the word "I" then look and Romans 8:2 and 9 and see how he is still writing in present tense by is no longer in the flesh.

Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

All through this is the ability to choose to walk in the Spirit as opposed to the flesh.

This choice wouldn't be there for a Christian if we couldn't walk in the flesh.