Jay
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Can't you see I'm posting about the false gospel that's is being regurgitated by people that are being deceived by Calvinism? If it is over your head I may be able to help you out.
How Christ’s death secures the salvation of those who believe.
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brightfame52
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Jay
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Glad you like it. I got it from you.
Behold
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Salvation is Eternal Life, and all Christians have received "the Gift of Eternal life".
Eternal Life is not temporary, and its not based on how you behave after you have received it from Jesus.
Salvation is not behavior based, its CROSS Of Christ Based........and why this is such a hard thing for most Christians to comprehend, is because they were taught to completely not understand it by people who didnt, and never will.
Eternal Life is not temporary, and its not based on how you behave after you have received it from Jesus.
Salvation is not behavior based, its CROSS Of Christ Based........and why this is such a hard thing for most Christians to comprehend, is because they were taught to completely not understand it by people who didnt, and never will.
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Larry
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David taught that if God should count sin against us none of us would be able to stand (Psalm 130:3). How then can anyone be saved?
The blessed man to whom God does not impute sin is the Christian, and if God does not impute sin to the Christian, he cannot “fall from grace.” In other words, the only way to fall from grace is to have your sins counted against you. Therefore, you have security in your salvation because Christ no longer counts your sins against you.
The blessed man to whom God does not impute sin is the Christian, and if God does not impute sin to the Christian, he cannot “fall from grace.” In other words, the only way to fall from grace is to have your sins counted against you. Therefore, you have security in your salvation because Christ no longer counts your sins against you.
Ray
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Satisfaction must be rendered for every sin, and certainly, our obedience cannot satisfy a broken law. It requires death, and Christ’s death hushes the claims of law. Now, if all our sins were borne and satisfied by Jesus, the claims of law fully met by him in its very jots and tittles, then the ground of our hope is in what Jesus has done, and nothing else. Our deeds may be mixed with sin, and we often go astray, but these shall not overthrow us because the death of Christ is our only hope. This is the only principle upon which sinners can hope to be saved.
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So there never was nor ever will be a single sin forgiven on earth without that forgiveness being procured by the blood of Christ. And, you have been cleansed from all sin (including past, present, and future sin).
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Behold
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"Falling from Grace" has nothing to do with having sins charged to you, if you are born again, as God does not charge sin to the Born again.
Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
So, to "fall from Grace" as Paul teaches this in Galatians is this...........
= "to no longer obey the Truth"........because you are "in the Flesh" (deceived and carnal minded).
= "WHO has bewitched you"........??
And then we turn to Hebrews 13:9, and this verse explains the issue.........as it says that the Chrisitan has lost the understanding of what Christ has finished on The Cross for them.......(Salvation)....> They have not understood or have lost the understanding of God's Grace as the ONLY reason they are forgiven and accepted, and now they are trying to stay saved by self effort., and they are not caught up in a "doctrine of Devils".......Like Calvinism, or MaryCult, or Mormonism, or JW.
These are the people and their Cults who believe and teach that you can "lose your salvation".
So they are the "fallen from Grace"....... broken faith, Believers......or they are Fake Believers, as in both cases they will both falsely teach that yoiu have to keep yourself saved, because you can lose your salvation.
Larry
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Right it can't happen. A believer cannot fall from grace.
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, Romans 5:20
Behold
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Paul is describing Galatian Christians who are "fallen from Grace".
Paul says they are "bewitched' by a cunning teacher, who has led them into deception.
"WHO has bewitched you, that you should no longer obey the Truth".
Notice that they previous did obey the truth, but now they are deceived, are "in the flesh" and are "fallen from Grace".
That does not mean they lost their Salvation. It means they have been deceived out of a right and true understanding of what Jesus has eternally accomplished for them on The Cross.
They have lost the Revelation.
Their faith is broken.
They are not become LEGALISTS., who are trying to keep themselves saved.
They had the revelation of the Grace of God, but FELL FROM IT....they lost it........they are now deceived out of it.
Ray
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Galatians 5:4 and its reference to falling from grace is one of those “warning passages” pointed to by those who reject the doctrine of the eternal security of the believer. But because of the biblical doctrine of the perseverance of the saints, we know the warnings cannot be directed at true believers in Christ because once grace has been obtained, believers cannot fall from it.
In Galatians 5:4, the context is Paul’s warning against mixing law and the Gospel to attain justification. He says to those who let themselves be circumcised (Galatians 5:2) that they are “trying to be justified by law” and have therefore “been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.” It should be noted that there is no mention of salvation or the security of the believer. He is telling those who receive circumcision—in other words attempt to justify themselves through the rites and rules of the Law—that Christ will be of “no benefit” to them.
Paul expounds further in verse 3 when he says that “every man who receives circumcision” is “under obligation to keep the whole Law.” Why is such a statement important in regards to Christ being “no benefit to you”? Note what Paul says in Galatians 3:13 concerning Christ’s sacrifice: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.” Taken in this light, along with a brief understanding of the Greek terms used, we can get a better understanding of what Paul is saying.
The two most important words in Galatians 5:4 are καταργέω (severed) and ἐκπίπτω (fallen). The word καταργέω does not require the “harsh” implications that come with “sever” in the English language, though it should not be taken lightly. In light of Paul’s words in Galatians 5:2 and how Paul uses the term in verses such as Romans 3:3, 4:14, and 1 Corinthians 1:28, a good way of understanding the term καταργέω is “nullify” or “done away with.” While the word ἐκπίπτω can undoubtedly mean to fall away from a previously held position, as those who deny the eternal security of true believers assert, in the context of this verse and how it is used in passages such as Acts 27, a good understanding of the phrase in Galatians 5:4 is that of “estranged” or “separated from.”
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Ray
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Thank you sir.
Behold
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So you are trying to use Calvinism to prove that you can't fall from Grace, when Paul is talking to born again Christians who did fall from Grace.
I talk to the same all the time, on many forums, and in life.. who are fallen from Grace, and are on their way to heaven.
I would say, that 50%+ of the people on this Forum, are "fallen from Grace'.
Ask them if they believe they can lose their salvation.
If they vote YES....then they are "fallen from Grace".
Larry
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You can't fall from grace.
Ray
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I'm not trying to prove anything. What it is, is what it is. It's the word of God found in the bible. Look at the meaning of
Galatians 5:4
What does Galatians 5:4 mean? | BibleRef.com
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. - What is the meaning of Galatians 5:4?
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brightfame52
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To Fall from grace just means they fell from their profession of Salvation by Grace. Gods saved people never depart from the faith once they are saved er 32 40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
The healing blood of Christ heals the elects backsliding Hos 14:4
I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
The word backsliding is the word mshuwbah:
backsliding, turning away
NASB: faithless, apostasies, apostasy, faithlessness, turning, waywardness
By His stripes the elect have been healed 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Behold
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Paul said you can.
Notice.
I'll do your bible homework for you.
Galatians 3"""""O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you,.. Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? """"""
Galatians 5 says they are "fallen from Grace".
Notice carefully that that these Galatian Christians had "RECEIVED THE SPIRIT"......so, that is how you know they are CHRISTIANS.......because "They that have not the Spirit of God, are none of God's.".
So, they had "fallen from Grace" and so has everyone who believes they can lose their Salvation, as at that moment, they have lost faith in Christ to keep them saved, and that is the proof of their deception, that is their carnal mind, ('in the Flesh") Paul explains.
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You may fall from grace if you are a counterfeit Christian, but if you are a true believer you will never fall from salvation. That is for certain. How do I know? For one thing, the same man who warned one group against falling from grace assured another group of the un alterability of their salvation:
But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. —Romans 8:37–39
I don’t think Paul left anything out. If he did, it certainly wasn’t intentional. If you have put your faith in Christ as your Savior, NOTHING can separate you from the love of Christ. And you can’t get more secure than that!
But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. —Romans 8:37–39
I don’t think Paul left anything out. If he did, it certainly wasn’t intentional. If you have put your faith in Christ as your Savior, NOTHING can separate you from the love of Christ. And you can’t get more secure than that!
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