He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[TomL]

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 11:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now as in the past there is a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Conditions bolded but ignored by you

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 11:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now as in the past there is a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Conditions bolded but ignored by you

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[TomL]

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 11:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. (condition)5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now as in the past there is a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. (condition)31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, (condition)but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 11:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. (condition)5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now as in the past there is a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. (condition)31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, (condition)but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[TomL]

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 11:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. (condition)5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now as in the past there is a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. (condition)31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, (condition)but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

perhaps you should open your eyes

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 11:4–5 (KJV 1900) — 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. (condition)5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now as in the past there is a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. (condition)31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, (condition)but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

perhaps you should open your eyes

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[TomL]

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/he-that-believes-and-is-not-water-baptised-is-saved.1760/post-91933

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/he-that-believes-and-is-not-water-baptised-is-saved.1760/post-91933

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[TomL]

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

https://berean-apologetics.communit...s-not-water-baptised-is-saved.1760/post-91933

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.communit...s-not-water-baptised-is-saved.1760/post-91933

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[TomL]

Its in the context:

This is Salvation by Grace:

Its clear as day, election of grace is without works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

https://berean-apologetics.communit...s-not-water-baptised-is-saved.1760/post-91933

 

[Truther]

Okay so water baptism saved you as well. You are giving credit to water baptism saving you plus Jesus

You must be tired of struggling with this. They asked Peter, what shall we do?
Now, you must ask Peter, what shall I do?
Peter would tell you what he told the 3000 at Pentecost….Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out. First century sinners figured it out.

 

[Truther]

Yes it is, He worked righteousness Acts 10:35

But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Was Cornelius saved accepted by God before he was water baptized ? Is a man accepted of God and worketh righteousness saved or not ?

So instead of having to believe your way into remission of sins, you must now fear him and work righteousness? I thought you said you’re not saved by works of righteousness?


I guess you think when the 3000 asked Peter at Pentecost men and brother and what shall we do? Then Peter said fear him and work righteousness? Is this what you now believe?

 

[Truther]

WOW. Unbelievable. He saved you by overcoming sin and death when he laid down his life and died on the cross and then rose from the grave. But to hear you tell it he saved you when you got yourself Water Baptized. These words of Jesus come to mind... The phrase “Depart from me, I never knew you” is a statement made by Jesus Christ in Matthew 7:23. It is a warning to those who claim to be followers of Jesus but do not truly know Him.

Here is how he saved me… I repented, and I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins.
Did you skip that?
If so, you don’t have remission of sins. There is no alternative, but to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

 

[Truther]

Is repenting the equivalent of fearing Jesus?

Is being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins a work of righteousness?

What do you guys think?

 

[TomL]

Is repenting the equivalent of fearing Jesus?

Is being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins a work of righteousness?

What do you guys think?

No fearing God speaks of reverencing God. repentance is the changing of your mind so as to change your behavior

Not unless you believe it saving

 

[mailmandan]

It's a fact that salvation by works seems right in the eyes of man. One of man’s basic desires is to be in control of his own destiny, and that includes his eternal destiny. Salvation by works appeals to man’s pride and his desire to be in control. Being saved by works appeals to that desire far more than the idea of being saved by faith alone.

That's the problem with insisting that it's necessary to be water baptized in order to be saved. You're taking a ritual that shows you've accepted Christ as your savior and turning it in to a works salvation.

Amen! That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. Its just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.

 

[Julie]

Is repenting the equivalent of fearing Jesus?

Is being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins a work of righteousness?

What do you guys think?

If you belong to him why would you ever fear Jesus?

If you believe that the act of getting baptized in water secures your salvation then it's definitely a work of the flesh.

If you believe that baptism signifies a confession of faith in Christ, that It's a ritual of what has taken place when we accept Jesus Christ as our lord and savior. Then you'll understand water baptism. From Him we get cleansing or washing of the soul from sin, and a death to sin and a new life in righteousness. Not by what we do.

 

[brightfame52]

You must be tired of struggling with this. They asked Peter, what shall we do?
Now, you must ask Peter, what shall I do?
Peter would tell you what he told the 3000 at Pentecost….Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out. First century sinners figured it out.

You give credit to what Jesus did and what you did, thats works, cant work Ron 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[brightfame52]

So instead of having to believe your way into remission of sins, you must now fear him and work righteousness? I thought you said you’re not saved by works of righteousness?


I guess you think when the 3000 asked Peter at Pentecost men and brother and what shall we do? Then Peter said fear him and work righteousness? Is this what you now believe?

Yes it is, He worked righteousness Acts 10:35

But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Was Cornelius saved accepted by God before he was water baptized ? Is a man accepted of God and worketh righteousness saved or not ?