Truther
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I thought the fear of God caused repentance.
Much like the fear of parents cause kids to straighten up.
I guess that's why antibaptismalists get away with disregarding Acts 2:38.
He that believes and is not water baptised is saved
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Much like the fear of parents cause kids to straighten up.
I guess that's why antibaptismalists get away with disregarding Acts 2:38.
Truther
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Truther
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Jesus caused me to obey Acts 2;38.
If he had not died, I could not have repented.
If he had not been buried, I could not be baptized in his name.
If he had not resurrected, I could not have received the Holy Ghost.
Truther
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Jay
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From the looks of your avatar somebody regurgitated. So I can see where you're coming from.
Luke 12:32. (Jesus says), “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.”
Why does anyone fear anything? We fear what we do not understand.
When Jesus and the disciples were crossing the Sea of Galilee in the storm arose his disciples were afraid but Jesus calmed their fear.
He told the storm to‘ Hush, be still’. Jesus speaks just as you would talk to an unruly child. The more astonishing thing is that the storm obeyed like a compliant child’.
On top of that, Jesus was not instructed by a higher authority, nor did He call on God to calm the storm. No, He did it entirely by His own power and in His own name. Keller continues: ‘by His actions here Jesus is demonstrating “I am not just someone who has power, I am power itself”
Since he has our back and loses so much that he laid down his life for us it's unlikely that we would become lukewarm. But then there is the parable of the seed and the Sower.
That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”
Matthew 13:1–9
brightfame52
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You give credit to what Jesus did and what you did, thats works, cant work Ron 11:5-6
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Truther
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That is my grandson with a facefull of yogurt...LOL.
Now, here is what Jesus will do to lukewarm CHRISTIANS...
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh....
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth....
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works....
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee....
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth....
i fear the one that can reject me,
brightfame52
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Yes it is, He worked righteousness Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Was Cornelius saved accepted by God before he was water baptized ? Is a man accepted of God and worketh righteousness saved or not ?
Scripture says 1 n 2:29
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Was Cornelius saved since He worked righteousness , Was he already born of God ? YES
Truther
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He was saved by works?
Jay
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Thanks for explaining that about your grandson. I wouldn't worry about being lukewarm if I were you you're obviously compassionate about your beliefs. If you were lukewarm you wouldn't be here standing up for them.
Julie
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I look at the scripture that talks about people being lukewarm as followers of Jesus like this. They were just there for the excitement entertainment and the free food. The ones Jesus told to depart from him because he never knew them. And remember we are being transformed into his image.
Keep telling yourself that you're an overcomer. You're a new creation. Your the head and not the tail. God will never leave you nor forsake you.
Perfect love casts out fear.
The Bible says that “love is of God” and “God is love” (1 John 4:7–8); in other words, love is a fundamental characteristic of who God is. Everything God does is impelled and influenced by His love. There is a distinct word for the type of love that God displays. In the Greek, this word is agape, and it refers to a benevolent and charitable love that seeks the best for the loved one.
First John 4:18 says that “perfect love casts out fear.” The whole verse says this: “There is no fear in love. But perfect love casts out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.” The context here is important: verse 17 says, “This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.”
In summary, the word perfect in 1 John 4:18 means “complete” or “mature,” and the love that is referred to is God’s selfless agape love. The fear that this perfect love drives out is the fear of punishment. We have God’s promise that believers in Jesus Christ will not be judged with the world: “God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thessalonians 5:9; cf. 1 Corinthians 11:32). We can say with the psalmist, “In God I trust and am not afraid” (Psalm 56:11).
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Seems you are stuck on water but water will get you wet, clean or drowned and nothing else.
brightfame52
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He was saved by Christ/grace, that's why God saw his works as righteous, and why God accepted him and his alms and prayers, thats only possible by being in Christ. He that doeth righteous is righteous 1 Jn 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Cornelius woked righteousness scripture says Acts 10:34-35
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
To top it off, he was called a righteous, just man in Acts 10 22
22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was
warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
That word just is dikaios and its the word for righteous, the same word in 1 Jn 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
And he had not been water baptized, neither had he believed the Gospel
Richard
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Not even close.
When you believed you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession. There are other scriptures attesting to these truths, and the Bible encourages us as believers in Christ that the Holy Spirit indwells us at the moment of salvation.
Then comes water baptism as an external sign of what's already taken place on the inside. I'm clean from the inside out before any water baptism.
No one is in Christ except that is trusting in Christ
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Biblelesson
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That's just your opinion. There's only one body of Christ and that's the elect. I'm living for God's glory and I'm not ashamed at all. Anyone can throw words around like "cult". And you're right it's not the topic here but then you couldn't help yourself how cult-like Is that? We separated yourself from brotherly love to become a part of the devil.
See how that works? And to show how ridiculous your statement is how can I possibly separate all Calvinists from the body of Christ? How does that work? I'm not responsible for what any denomination does or believes.
brightfame52
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He was saved by Christ/grace, that's why God saw his works as righteous, and why God accepted him and his alms and prayers, thats only possible by being in Christ. He that doeth righteous is righteous 1 Jn 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Cornelius woked righteousness scripture says Acts 10:34-35
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
To top it off, he was called a righteous, just man in Acts 10 22
22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was
warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
That word just is dikaios and its the word for righteous, the same word in 1 Jn 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
And he had not been water baptized, neither had he believed the Gospel
Election is in Christ and apart from Christ no one is elect.
Anja
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It was that serpent, got them kicked out. But seriously if you think about Adam walking with God in the cool of the afternoon, that was sort of like church. Just saying not trying to start a doctrine or anything.
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