He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[brightfame52]

There are no tulip truths, only deception. The truth is.... the Lies of Calvinism are meant to deceive people into believing that God is heartless. We're talking doctrine of demons here. And it is good to expose the lies of the enemy.

Is there a difference between Calvinism and Satanism. Not much.

In Calvinism God wants only a certain number damned to hell. But in Satanism, Satan wants all people damned to hell.

Boy you really dislike the Gospel of Gods Grace, Tulip

 

[Truther]

No it wasnt, its you imagination

Well, if Adam and Eve were the first church and they are the “called out ones” as the word means, they were banned from the garden of Eden because of sin. Wouldn’t this mean that the only two members of the church were kicked out of the church?

 

[brightfame52]

Well, if Adam and Eve were the first church and they are the “called out ones” as the word means, they were banned from the garden of Eden because of sin. Wouldn’t this mean that the only two members of the church were kicked out of the church?

Yeah from the garden but not from the earth. In fact from there from seth who replaced Abel the Seed, men began to call upon the Name of the Lord, that was the Church Gen 4:25-26

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
All the way to the NT era 1 Cor 1:2

Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

 

[Truther]

Yeah from the garden but not from the earth. In fact from there from seth who replaced Abel the Seed, men began to call upon the Name of the Lord, that was the Church Gen 4:25-26

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
All the way to the NT era 1 Cor 1:2

Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

So, the entire church was backslid until Seth was born? And then when Seth grew up, he began to call on the name of the Lord and revival was spread? Is that how it works?
Now, when the Earth backslid again and only eight were saved in the ark, was the church then reduced down to eight? Did the revival during the times of Seth end in a completely backslid church? Did you know the word church means called out ones? Did you know Jesus says I will build my church in the future as in future tense? How can something exist as Jesus‘s church when he said in the future I will build my church?

 

[Truther]

Could it be that the church in the wilderness that did not know Jesus at all was not the church that Jesus would build in the future? Could it have been Moses‘s church and Jesus‘s church would be in the order of Melchizedek(priesthood )and not Aaron?(in the order of the Aaronic priesthood.)

 

[brightfame52]

So, the entire church was backslid until Seth was born? And then when Seth grew up, he began to call on the name of the Lord and revival was spread? Is that how it works?
Now, when the Earth backslid again and only eight were saved in the ark, was the church then reduced down to eight? Did the revival during the times of Seth end in a completely backslid church? Did you know the word church means called out ones? Did you know Jesus says I will build my church in the future as in future tense? How can something exist as Jesus‘s church when he said in the future I will build my church?

You not making no sense

 

[Rowan]

I only quoted….

then Peter said, repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

What am I seeing that’s wrong?

You may need a new pair of glasses.

Peter was saying to all those who had faith in Jesus, ‘everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ "for" the remission of sins,’ not in order to obtain the remission of sins...

Faith in Jesus is the sufficient cause of the remission of actual sins. Faith in Jesus is required before Baptism.

"for" Means because of. Because of your faith in Jesus you get baptized as a sign of that faith. Baptism comes after salvation.

If you think baptism saves you then you're dealing with paganism as it's a works salvation. Something you do when in reality Jesus did it all.

 

[360watt]

You may need a new pair of glasses.

Peter was saying to all those who had faith in Jesus, ‘everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ "for" the remission of sins,’ not in order to obtain the remission of sins...

Faith in Jesus is the sufficient cause of the remission of actual sins. Faith in Jesus is required before Baptism.

"for" Means because of. Because of your faith in Jesus you get baptized as a sign of that faith. Baptism comes after salvation.

If you think baptism saves you then you're dealing with paganism as it's a works salvation. Something you do when in reality Jesus did it all.

I've kept posting the same thing and it never sticks with Truther, so I've let it be

 

[Theophilus]

Baptism does not save you​

The concept of baptism has been a topic of debate among Christians for centuries. While some believe that baptism is essential for salvation, others argue that it is a symbol of one’s faith and does not have any saving power. Here are some key points to consider:

• 1 Peter 3:21: This verse is often cited as evidence that baptism saves. However, a closer examination of the verse reveals that Peter is not saying that the physical act of baptism itself saves, but rather that it is an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Christ.
• The Bible does not say that baptism is necessary for salvation: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person cannot be saved without being baptized. In fact, the Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-9).
• Baptism is a symbol of faith: Baptism is a public declaration of one’s faith in Jesus Christ. It is a symbol of the believer’s commitment to follow Christ and to identify with him in his death, burial, and resurrection.
• Salvation is by faith alone: The Bible teaches that salvation is by faith alone, not by works, including baptism. This is clear in passages such as Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:28.
• The focus is on Christ, not baptism: The Bible’s focus is on Jesus Christ and his work on the cross, not on baptism. Salvation is through faith in Christ, not through any human ritual or ceremony.

In conclusion, while baptism is an important part of the Christian faith, it does not save us. Salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ, and baptism is a symbol of that faith.
AI-generated answer

 

[Truther]

I've kept posting the same thing and it never sticks with Truther, so I've let it be

So you think that Jesus really meant he that believeth and is saved shall be unnecessarily baptized?

Maybe Mark had a typo?

 

[Rowan]

Baptism does not save you​

The concept of baptism has been a topic of debate among Christians for centuries. While some believe that baptism is essential for salvation, others argue that it is a symbol of one’s faith and does not have any saving power. Here are some key points to consider:

• 1 Peter 3:21: This verse is often cited as evidence that baptism saves. However, a closer examination of the verse reveals that Peter is not saying that the physical act of baptism itself saves, but rather that it is an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Christ.
• The Bible does not say that baptism is necessary for salvation: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person cannot be saved without being baptized. In fact, the Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-9).
• Baptism is a symbol of faith: Baptism is a public declaration of one’s faith in Jesus Christ. It is a symbol of the believer’s commitment to follow Christ and to identify with him in his death, burial, and resurrection.
• Salvation is by faith alone: The Bible teaches that salvation is by faith alone, not by works, including baptism. This is clear in passages such as Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:28.
• The focus is on Christ, not baptism: The Bible’s focus is on Jesus Christ and his work on the cross, not on baptism. Salvation is through faith in Christ, not through any human ritual or ceremony.

In conclusion, while baptism is an important part of the Christian faith, it does not save us. Salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ, and baptism is a symbol of that faith.
AI-generated answer

That's my answer also. Baptism can't save you.

 

[Truther]

That's my answer also. Baptism can't save you.

Which is correct?

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also
NOW
save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Or

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also
NOT
save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Rowan]

No if, ands, or buts about it.

Baptism doesn't save you. It is a response or public declaration of your faith and full belief in Christ. Without full, sincere repentance before God, you are not saved. You can be saved by God without baptism.

 

[Truther]

No if, ands, or buts about it.

Baptism doesn't save you. It is a response or public declaration of your faith and full belief in Christ. Without full, sincere repentance before God, you are not saved. You can be saved by God without baptism.

So you think the scripture is telling us this, correct?…

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also….. NOT ….save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

That is exactly opposite what the scripture says.

 

[Truther]

Now does not equal not.

 

[Rowan]

Baptism doesn’t save you. It is a response or public declaration of your faith and full belief in Christ. Without full, sincere repentance before God, you are not saved. You can be saved by God without baptism. Do you remember the thief on the cross beside Jesus? He was saved the day he died without any possibility of being baptized. There are actually people out there who have been baptized but are not saved and people never baptized who are saved.

 

[Believe]

Baptism doesn’t save you. It is a response or public declaration of your faith and full belief in Christ. Without full, sincere repentance before God, you are not saved. You can be saved by God without baptism. Do you remember the thief on the cross beside Jesus? He was saved the day he died without any possibility of being baptized. There are actually people out there who have been baptized but are not saved and people never baptized who are saved.

Of course baptism doesn't save you since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone.

 

[Rowan]

Of course baptism doesn't save you since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone.

Correct, although outwardly rituals are nice, they don’t confirm our salvation. Accepted Jesus and his free gift of salvation you're saved. There will be signs and wonders that follow.

Has God gradually become your top priority in life? Have your priorities truly changed? Do you feel peace no matter how the world around you is functioning? Are you unafraid of death but still have a desire to live to serve the Lord as long as He deems necessary? Do you truly feel this world is temporary and whatever happens happens? Do your words to others lovingly tell truths and flow in a way you never experienced before?

Do you know that you know, that you know, that you are a new creation in Christ? That's the Holy Spirit.

 

[Lily]

Correct, although outwardly rituals are nice, they don’t confirm our salvation. Accepted Jesus and his free gift of salvation you're saved. There will be signs and wonders that follow.

Has God gradually become your top priority in life? Have your priorities truly changed? Do you feel peace no matter how the world around you is functioning? Are you unafraid of death but still have a desire to live to serve the Lord as long as He deems necessary? Do you truly feel this world is temporary and whatever happens happens? Do your words to others lovingly tell truths and flow in a way you never experienced before?

Do you know that you know, that you know, that you are a new creation in Christ? That's the Holy Spirit.

If your saved and you know it clap your hands, If your saved and you know it stomp your feet, If your saved and you know it then your life will surely show it.

 

[Truther]

Of course baptism doesn't save you since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone.

…Repent and be baptized, everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

You have remission of sins before baptism?