LOL, sorry, you don't get to have it both ways. According to you the cross was fated and involved no choice by Christ
God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES
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synergy
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If you want contradict John 10:18 then have at it. Calvinists are known to contradict the Bible incessantly.
Can you read?
This is addressed already, and it was revealed you are a false prognosticator
Your the one that claims determinism is fatalism, not I sir. If your correct the cross is fatalistic and Christ had no choice.
You ran from this
It's called scripture
Why do you not believe it
First let me note you ignored the verse that states Ahab humbled himself
1 Kings 21:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son’s days will I bring the evil upon his house.
second i will ask did these hate God
All these were declared Righteous, just, pleased God, worshipped God
Able - Hebrews 11:4; 1 John 3:12
Lot - 2 Peter 2:7
Noah - Genesis 6:9; 7:1
Job - Job 1:1; 34:5
Abraham - Galatians 3:6
Lydia - Acts 16:14
Cornelius - Acts 10:22
Zechariah - Luke 1:5-6
Elizabeth - Luke 1:5-6
Joseph Matthew 1:19; Luke 23:50
Simeon Luke 2:25
Enoch Hebrews 11:5
and you will run from this
2 Chronicles 11:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.
2 Chronicles 19:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God.
2 Chronicles 20:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.
2 Chronicles 20:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 And Judah gathered themselves together, to ask help of the LORD: even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.
2 Chronicles 34:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.
Ezra 6:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,
Ezra 7:10 (KJV 1900) — 10 For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments.
Isaiah 58 (KJV 1900) — 1 Cry aloud, spare not, Lift up thy voice like a trumpet, And shew my people their transgression, And the house of Jacob their sins. 2 Yet they seek me daily, And delight to know my ways, As a nation that did righteousness, And forsook not the ordinance of their God: They ask of me the ordinances of justice; They take delight in approaching to God.
Psalm 9:10 (KJV 1900) — 10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: For thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.
synergy
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I said "that determination", the one that you promote based on your calvinistic elect/non-elect caste system, is a fatalistic deterministic system. Try to keep up with the conversation.
Carry on with your Bible verse loathing attitude concerning John 10:18 and the rest of the Bible for that matter.
No it was determined for them before the foundation of the world
Are you saying Christ did not voluntarily go to the cross?
I am sorry but it is
If there is but one option determined before the foundation of the earth that is clearly fatalistic
synergy
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Exactly! That's what I told him also. Since that determination preceeded any choice they ever made, then that determination is fatalistic. Facts go in one of his ears and out the other.
Some simply refuse to believe the obvious
Um Christ went voluntarily
And you do not wish to live by your own ignorant rhetoric. If determinism is fatalism then the cross is fatalistic. Christ had no choice. It was His fate.
Not according to you. Determinism is fatalism remember?
Another contradictory mess from the Provisionist side
According to you it was fated. He had no choice.
So. Determinism is fatalism. They had no choice.
Your problem is the event was determined but Christ voluntarily went to the cross
Fatalism definition
the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
So do you now admit your theology is fatalistic?
synergy
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So, you no longer promote your calvinistic elect/non-elect caste system which is a fatalistic deterministic system?
What an utter mess you've painted yourself into.
