We we discussing what John 6:44 said and you insisted on looking at the NEXT VERSES as if they contradicted verse 44 … then told me I was incorrect when I pointed out that YOU had misquoted verse 45 in your paraphrase. Now you insist that I must look still further to understand that John 6:44 really means the opposite of what it says.
… and you are incredulous that I do not want to play “fetch” with your ever sending me after verses to ignore the one verse that I mentioned and you are attempting to ABROGATE.
No not just John 6:44 but 45 as well and how it is men can hear from the Father
I asked you
Do you deny these spoke the words of the father and that in hearing them men would have heard from the Father?
those who believe
Moses would believe Christ
John 5:46–47 (KJV 1900) — 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Those who believe
john the baptist would believe Christ
John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Those who believe the word of
the apostles believe Christ
John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Those who believe
John's writing believe Christ
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Those who believe
them that preach the gospel can have faith
Romans 10:13–17 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that
preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
You have not replied and are seeking to isolate the verse from its context both near and far
What men need to believe is revelation. Given that they can believe if so inclined
Acts 19:8 (ESV) — 8 And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.
Paul persauded men concerning the Kingdom of God
Acts 17:2–4 (ESV) — 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”
4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.
Convincing them Jesus was the Christ
Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
