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Another contradictory mess from the Provisionist side
Another flat out denial of Biblical truth from the Calvinist side:

(John 10:18) No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

What an utter mess you've painted yourself into.
 
Your problem is the event was determined but Christ voluntarily went to the cross


Fatalism definition

the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
Nope. The Cross was determined by God to occur, which according to you is fatalism. Your choices are of no consequence in faralism. Christ fate was the cross. His choice made no difference.

Deal with it
 
Another flat out denial of Biblical truth from the Calvinist side:

(John 10:18) No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

What an utter mess you've painted yourself into.
Dodging my point which pointed out the stupidity of your position. The Cross was determined. According to you determinism is fatalism. Christ fate was the cross no matter what His choice was.
 
So, you no longer promote your calvinistic elect/non-elect caste system which is a fatalistic deterministic system?

What an utter mess you've painted yourself into.
Irrelevant to your contradictory ignorant position. Christ was a victim of fate. He had no choice.
 
Nope. The Cross was determined by God to occur, which according to you is fatalism. Your choices are of no consequence in faralism. Christ fate was the cross. His choice made no difference.

Deal with it
The cross yes but Jesus voluntarily gave his life

John 10:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

I dealt with it and scripture shows you to be error
 
You have failed to show that and the definition shows your position is fatalistic

Fatalism - the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
I don't claim my position is fatalistic. LOL

Fatalism has no causation. Determinism does.

Provisionism believes the cross is fatalism
 
The cross yes but Jesus voluntarily gave his life

John 10:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

I dealt with it and scripture shows you to be error
The cross but not the crucifixion? LOL

The cross, crucifixion were determined to occur. Hence he believes the cross was fated and Christ had no choice
 
Dodging my point which pointed out the stupidity of your position. The Cross was determined. According to you determinism is fatalism. Christ fate was the cross no matter what His choice was.
Nope, you're the one who believes in the elect/non-elect caste system which is a fatalistic deterministic system.

What an utter mess you've painted yourself into.
 
Predetermined is not fatalism since you believe the cross was fatalistic which means it was impersonal.

What a mess you have woven
What are you unable to understand

Fatalism - the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:

now once again which side believes all events are predetermined
 
The cross but not the crucifixion? LOL

The cross, crucifixion were determined to occur. Hence he believes the cross was fated and Christ had no choice
But nowhere do you read all events are determined

that is the definition of fatalism and that is your theology

Sorry scripture spoke

John 10:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

and it does not support you nor does the definition
 
I don't claim my position is fatalistic. LOL

Fatalism has no causation. Determinism does.

Provisionism believes the cross is fatalism
Just because you deny it does not mean it is false

Your theology fits the definition

Fatalism - the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:

are you not able to read of the determination in fatalism

You are in deep denial here
 
Predetermined is not fatalism since you believe the cross was fatalistic which means it was impersonal.

What a mess you have woven
Sorry there was nothing about being impersonal in the definition

Fatalism - the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
 
Sorry there was nothing about being impersonal in the definition

Fatalism - the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
Right, except gatalism has no causation or reason. Determinism does.

So according to you the cross was Christs fate. He had no choice.
 
Just because you deny it does not mean it is false

Your theology fits the definition

Fatalism - the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:

are you not able to read of the determination in fatalism

You are in deep denial here
And your simply ignorant if what you speak. Determinism is not fatalism. They are not synonymous terms no matter how many times in your ignorance you claim it to be so.
 
But nowhere do you read all events are determined

that is the definition of fatalism and that is your theology

Sorry scripture spoke

John 10:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

and it does not support you nor does the definition
Irrelevant. The point is you believe the cross was fated.
 
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