If you didn't, we are back to the issue.
Before God decreed to create, the future was open as God could have created or not created
You have just demonstrated an instance of an open future having declared God was free to create or not create
God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES
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Before God decreed to create, the future was open as God could have created or not created
You have just demonstrated an instance of an open future having declared God was free to create or not create
If God exists out of time then God does not experience sequence and is entirely static.
Thus he has no before or after
civic
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Yep
Wrong. There is no before or after for a being who exists outside of time.
Was free to do as He wishes. Nothing bonds God to anything. The plan to create was part of His plan eternally. Hence He is omniscient. He had the ability and the power to choose otherwise but wouldn't have.
civic
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For us, sure. Not for God who exists outside of time. There is no past, present or future for God. Only the eternal now.
civic
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Ya, so. LOL
um you failed to address the point raised here
which was
If you didn't, we are back to the issue.
Before God decreed to create, the future was open as God could have created or not created
You have just demonstrated an instance of an open future having declared God was free to create or not create
please address it.
civic
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And if God is really love as scripture declares then love has action, benevolence, care, concern , doing etc….. this implies there is sequence of action and events which tears down the oppositions objections and assumptions. While we might not be able to comprehend prior to creation we do know within the Tri- Unity of God there is a loving relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit that cannot be static.
Thus God cannot experience sequence and he must have eternally decreed all in one simultaneous instance
The decree would be as eternal as God
and you are back trying to justify how a cause and its effect can be simultaneous
and positing the decree is as eternal as God. Creation would have to be as well
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No. God exists outside of time. There is no past, present or future. No before or after.
Please address it
civic
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wrong issue again. You responded to this post
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where I had stated
please address it.
What you did state was address here
civic
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The dodger strikes again
Yep substituting one subject for another
Thinking involves sequence
civic noted
If God thinks and communicates then there is sequence and time.
TibiasDad
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I think that the nature of God’s existence is far beyond what we can explain fully. We cannot possibly understand what it means to be outside of time, but perhaps the lack of time for an omnipotent God is not an issue. After all, can the element of time, or the lack thereof, limit an omnipotent being?
And the idea of eternity past is meaningless outside of assuming time. It logically demands a simultaneous being of all reality, even existence and nonexistence would have to true simultaneously.
We cannot resolve these type of issues but then again, that is why we live by faith. What ever the explanation for these questions are, arguing right or wrong is unresolvable and grace is a means of keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Doug
civic
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Well said brother
It seems to me God would simultaneously have to know and not know the future before the decree to create were God actually timeless unless God's decree were eternally simultaneous with himself which is problematic
