God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES

[TomL]

Right, so your god learns as He goes. In fact, there could be unknown unsettled facts that would prevent Him from saving you.


It absolutely is just that. There are future facts that He does not know or is unaware of.

Open Theism

Sorry again you are assuming all the future is settled and therefore a fact which can be known with certainty

You are begging the question

if the future is unsettled there is no fact to be known except the possibilities

 

[civic]

Neither does His essence. His mind is part of who He is.

Study the attributes of God

The readers can all see where your clan all bailed out with nothing but ad homs and dodging my questions about Gods innate attributes . Many members here were familiar with that thread/ debate. It exposed PSA as a lie with the nature / character of God as Triune.

The Attributes Of the Trinity

What are some of Gods innate attributes, in other words who is God outside of His creation. This is where Theology begins with the study of Gods Being. @SovereignGrace @Carbon @preacher4truth @Reformedguy Lets have a discussion on the Aseity of God. So I just named one of Gods attributes. So...

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[TomL]

I demonstrated how He is not a liar. Besides maybe in your unsettled future He might have to lie.

No you did not at all

If it is true he cannot change his mind, and he knows it, then saying he will change his mind is a lie

To claim otherwise is disingenuous

 

[civic]

No you did not at all

If it is true he cannot change his mind, and he knows it, then saying he will change his mind is a lie

To claim otherwise is disingenuous

Spot on

 

[TomL]

Spot on

He plays the pretend game

 

[civic]

He plays the pretend game

Yep dodgeball

 

[TomL]

Yep dodgeball

It's among his favorite sports

 

[TomL]

Exactly. No omniscience. Your God learns

Un Calvinists routinely hold God cannot not know what a free creature would do. The only reason he knows the future is because he determines it.

So the real issue here is, has God fatalistically determined all things.

BTW Was God free to create or not create?

 

[TomL]

And you demonstrate you do not believe the Bible when it says God does not change. Which there are just as many.

No there actually is not

as you conflate will with cannot

 

[civic]

Un Calvinists routinely hold God cannot not know what a free creature would do. The only reason he knows the future is because he determines it.

So the real issue here is, has God fatalistically determined all things.

BTW Was God free to create or not create?

Yes He doesn’t know the future since it’s all fatalistically determined. Man is nothing but a preprogrammed robot. Even MacArthur said it lol.

In determinism both god and man gave no freedom. It’s crazy. God as a relational Being is a facade , God is love is a facade

 

[Presby02]

No there actually is not

as you conflate will with cannot

I do? Do explain

 

[Presby02]

Un Calvinists routinely hold God cannot not know what a free creature would do. The only reason he knows the future is because he determines it.

So the real issue here is, has God fatalistically determined all things.

BTW Was God free to create or not create?

Determinism and fatalism are nit synonymous terms. Speaking of conflating.

 

[Presby02]

No you did not at all

If it is true he cannot change his mind, and he knows it, then saying he will change his mind is a lie

To claim otherwise is disingenuous

Np it's not. God is omniscient. To suggest a change if mind is to deny His omniscience.

 

[civic]

Determinism and fatalism are nit synonymous terms. Speaking of conflating.

We have proven it is using several reliable sources affirming they are used as synonyms.

Next De Nile

 

[Presby02]

The readers can all see where your clan all bailed out with nothing but ad homs and dodging my questions about Gods innate attributes . Many members here were familiar with that thread/ debate. It exposed PSA as a lie with the nature / character of God as Triune.

The Attributes Of the Trinity

What are some of Gods innate attributes, in other words who is God outside of His creation. This is where Theology begins with the study of Gods Being. @SovereignGrace @Carbon @preacher4truth @Reformedguy Lets have a discussion on the Aseity of God. So I just named one of Gods attributes. So...

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The mind is part of the character and essence of the divine being. It cannot changr.

 

[Presby02]

We have proven it is using several reliable sources affirming they are used as synonyms.

Next De Nile

Which I have proven demonstrating the differences which were not dealt with.

Shall we discuss them one by one? What do you say debate champ?

 

[Presby02]

Sorry again you are assuming all the future is settled and therefore a fact which can be known with certainty

You are begging the question

if the future is unsettled there is no fact to be known except the possibilities

If God is omniscient it's settled.

Then the future is not known and you deny God's omniscience.

Open Theism

 

[civic]

If God is omniscient it's settled.

Then the future is not known and you deny God's omniscience.

Open Theism

Jesus did not know the day or hour

Major failure .

Next

 

[Presby02]

Jesus did not know the day or hour

Major failure .

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The Father does though. How is that possible Mr. Trinitarian

 

[civic]

The Father does though. How is that possible Mr. Trinitarian

Are you denying Christ is fully God lacking nothing in His deity ?

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