God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES

[Presby02]

Yes a god bound by a decree without the freedom to create or no create.

The decree in determinism becomes not only an atttibute of God but the primary one.

Absurdity

This post is absurd. AMEN!

 

[TomL]

I never said He lacked anything, you just did.

If his knowledge is eternal as he; he was not free to not create

 

[Presby02]

If his knowledge is eternal as he; he was not free to not create

You do believe He lacks knowledge however which makes you a Open Theist.

 

[TomL]

Yes a god bound by a decree without the freedom to create or no create.

The decree in determinism becomes not only an atttibute of God but the primary one.

Absurdity

And everything is bound by fatalism even God

 

[Presby02]

Yes freedom to choose to do otherwise and bound as a slave to the false doctrine of eternal decree which becomes a false god and an attribute of that false god.

Is He free not to save you after all? LOL

 

[Presby02]

And everything is bound by fatalism even God

Nope. Determinism.

 

[TomL]

You do believe He lacks knowledge however which makes you a Open Theist.

And you do not believe God can know anything a free creature might do

You limit God's knowledge to what he does

 

[Presby02]

If his knowledge is eternal as he; he was not free to not create

His knowledge is not eternal? So your god learns then.

OPEN THEISM

 

[TomL]

Nope. Determinism.

Yep determinism and fatalism the inevitable result of your theology

 

[civic]

If his knowledge is eternal as he; he was not free to not create

yes the calvinists dilemma

 

[Presby02]

Yep determinism and fatalism the inevitable result of your theology

There not one on the same.

 

[civic]

Yep determinism and fatalism the inevitable result of your theology

spot on there brother- they ar one in the same as dozens of reliable sources have affirmed they are synonyms.

 

[Presby02]

spot on there brother- they ar one in the same as dozens of reliable sources have affirmed they are synonyms.

Nope. There are not the same as I eloquently pointed out

 

[TomL]

yes the calvinists dilemma

It collapses into necessarianism. You are all necessary beings as is the creation

 

[TomL]

Nope. There are not the same as I eloquently pointed out

Um bald denial is hardly eloquent

 

[civic]

It collapses into necessarianism. You are all necessary beings as is the creation

Yes so much for Gods Aseity in Calvinism-

 

[TomL]

No one has made a claim about how He knows. Lame attempt at topic change

God exists outside of time. There is no before or after.

That would be false witness. Many Calvinists have affirmed this as I believe you know

 

[civic]

That would be false witness. Many Calvinists have affirmed this as I believe you know

Yep

 

[TomL]

Again, God is omniscient and will know who He will create in the future and for what purpose.

OPEN THEISM

Again according to Calvinist theology God knows only because he decrees and determines all

Thus according to your view the decree must be eternal as God therefore all was necessary and God was not free to do otherwise

 

[TomL]

Yep

Yes he does know