You fail to address the point
Before the decree where he determines all that can happen the future is open
God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES
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Before the decree where he determines all that can happen the future is open
In your theology the only way God can know is if he determines it., so before he determined it the future was open
you are in denial and run from your theology
So you believe contrary to scripture, God determined all your sin
1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
and make God a liar so you can keep your fatalism
Begging the questionExplain how a omniscient God comes to know something when when He already knows it?
In your theology he knows only because he determines it. Before his determining decree, the future would have been open
you keep ignoring the point
civic
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yes running away when faced in the mirror with his beliefs- he doesn't like what the mirror is reflecting when he looks at it square in the face- the man in the mirror.
Okay. Good talk. "Its all the same" LOL
No one has made a claim about how He knows. Lame attempt at topic change
God exists outside of time. There is no before or after.
No one has ever made a claim. Who said the "the only way"? Tom is now erecting his strawman.
If you believe the future is open your a Open Theist. Congrats
There is no before with a timeless being.
civic
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You cannot prove God exists outside of time and that time is a thing, a substance or a creation. You are conflating a timeline with time.
If God is temporal, his existence and his thoughts and actions have temporal location. He exists at the present moment (and he has existed at each past moment and he will exist at each future moment.)
civic
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God Not Inactive
Yet, we should not assume that God was inactive prior to creation. The Bible speaks of God loving and planning before the earth was created. Jesus, in His prayer to the Father before His betrayal, said:
The Apostle Paul spoke of God's eternal plan:
In another place, Paul spoke of the promises of God.
The Trinity
This brings up an interesting question. If the world had not yet been created, then to whom was the promise of eternal life made? The promise was made among the different members of the Trinity (the Father to the Son or to the Holy Spirit) because at this particular point, that is, before the world was created, there was no one else to whom to make the promise. The different members of the Trinity love and communicate with each other. Hence, communication occurred within the Godhead before the creation of man and woman.
Both Before And After
The Scripture, therefore, speaks of God making plans both before the beginning and after the beginning. Before creation there was communication, planning, and love within the members of the Trinity. After creation that communication and love was directed toward humanity.
Summary
With regard to the activities of God before the universe was created we can state the following:
1.The question of God's activity before creation assumes God dwells in time. The Bible say that God has eternally existed and that space and time were created by Him.
2.God, the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, were not inactive before creating the world. God planned and purposed it before humanity came on the scene. Once we were created, God then directed His love and energies toward us.
3.All we need to know about God is what He has done and what He plans to do in the future. He has revealed this to us in the Bible - the Word of God. The Bible says:
hope this helps !!!
So then the decree is eternal and all that exist is necessary. God was therefore without freedom to do otherwise.
Yup, exactly yet He is free
And you are a fatalist who believes God lacked the freedom to do other than which is.
civic
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Yes a god bound by a decree without the freedom to create or no create.
The decree in determinism becomes not only an atttibute of God but the primary one.
Absurdity
I never said He lacked anything, you just did.
LOL decree is not a attribute of God no more than time is.
Nope not if he always knew what had to be. There was nothing god could do to change anything
civic
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Yes freedom to choose to do otherwise and bound as a slave to the false doctrine of eternal decree which becomes a false god and an attribute of that false god.
