God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES

[Presby02]

Neither one of us are pelagians or semis that’s your caricature

Yes you are. LOL

 

[Presby02]

It's not a change of topic at all as Calvinism holds God cannot know what a yet non existent free creature would do

many Calvinists on CARM have so argued who I have previously termed open theist bed-fellows.

James White argues it in his grounding objection and employs such reasonning as an argument for determinism, against a simple foreknowledge view

Truth be told, you are uncomfortable with the fatalism of your view

Again, God is omniscient and will know who He will create in the future and for what purpose.

OPEN THEISM

 

[civic]

Yes you are. LOL

says the augustinian fatalist lol.

 

[Presby02]

Declared the fatalist lol

Grow up

 

[civic]

Again, God is omniscient and will know who He will create in the future and for what purpose.

OPEN THEISM

fatalistic theistic determinism.

 

[civic]

Again, God is omniscient and will know who He will create in the future and for what purpose.

OPEN THEISM

grow up

 

[civic]

Yes you are. LOL

grow up

 

[Presby02]

fatalistic theistic determinism.

No such thing. Fatalism has no causation. LOL

 

[Presby02]

grow up

Even a child, such as myself can see it. Your a Open Theist

 

[civic]

No such thing. Fatalism has no causation. LOL

yes it does as we have proven with dozens of references

 

[Presby02]

yes it does as we have proven with dozens of references

No, it don't. LOL

 

[civic]

Even a child, such as myself can see it. Your a Open Theist

yes even my grandchildren can see you are a fatalist.

 

[Presby02]

yes even my grandchildren can see you are a fatalist.

Have them try these Open Theist

 

[civic]

Have them try these Open Theist

unlike you they know God did not cause them, will them, direct them to disobey their parents and grandparents- that is your fatalistic theistic determinist god at work.

 

[Presby02]

unlike you they know God did not cause them, will them, direct them to disobey their parents and grandparents- that is your fatalistic theistic determinist god at work.

Good thong no one teaches that. You sure it was 40 years? Is there a decimal point?

 

[civic]

Good thong no one teaches that. You sure it was 40 years? Is there a decimal point?

the WCF and LBC declare that God brings everything to pass and nothing occurs outside of His will, plan, decree. Calvinism 101. God is the cause of all things that come to pass. No rogue molecules lol.

That's your heretical beliefs not mine formed in the dark ages during the reformation. And Calvin/Luther stole most of their ideas from the Platonist, Greek Philosophy,Gnostic teachings of Augustine.

Church History 101.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Presby02]

the WCF and LBC declare that God brings everything to pass and nothing occurs outside of His will, plan, decree. Calvinism 101. God is the cause of all things that come to pass. No rogue molecules lol.

That's your heretical beliefs not mine formed in the dark ages during the reformation. And Calvin/Luther stole most of their ideas from the Platonist, Greek Philosophy,Gnostic teachings of Augustine.

Church History 101.

hope this helps !!!

Yup, that does not make Him the primary or efficient cause.

Do some studying Pelagian Open Theist

 

[civic]

Yup, that does not make Him the primary or efficient cause.

Do some studying Pelagian Open Theist

the one who causes something to happen is the one who is responsible for what happened. they are one in the same.

its time you face your theology and admit its what it teaches with its doctrine od Sovereignty and Eternal Decree.

next............

hope this helps !!!

 

[Presby02]

the one who causes something to happen is the one who is responsible for what happened. they are one in the same.

its time you face your theology and admit its what it teaches with its doctrine od Sovereignty and Eternal Decree.

next............

hope this helps !!!

Cause something to happen? Do you mean Primary, efficient, or sufficient cause?

 

[civic]

Cause something to happen? Do you mean Primary, efficient, or sufficient cause?

Its all the same with who is to blame.