God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES

[civic]

The divine person is the only one that has anything to lay aside. What did he lay aside if not the right to use his divine power?

He is still fully God, but he chooses not to avail himself of that power and privilege.


Doug

So God can choose not to know some things right ?

This is where the problems arrive with creeds, orthodoxy and scripture.

It’s why we can say when Jesus died ( He is the Divine Son) we can say God died.

I personally don’t buy everything we have been taught by the creeds since they are not inspired.

 

[TomL]

Maybe you should square your view with omniscience instead of talking our of both sides of your mouth

My view is square. Its your view which must deny scripture showing God changes his mind; that he does not determine all of men's sin

 

[TibiasDad]

So God can choose not to know some things right ?

What did he lay aside when he became flesh? Why did he only do and say what the Father told him to say?

As I’ve said, we are incapable of understanding how God can do what he can do, but a God who is omnipotent can surely have the power to not use his power.

Doug

 

[TomL]

God knows all there is to logically know. The number of grains of sand on the beach. The number of hairs on your head. And so on.

And if something has not been determined there is nothing to know

Was God determined to create?

 

[civic]

What did he lay aside when he became flesh? Why did he only do and say what the Father told him to say?

As I’ve said, we are incapable of understanding how God can do what he can do, but a God who is omnipotent can surely have the power to not use his power.

Doug

He did not use His right as God to use His deity to His own advantage.

I agree God can and does withhold His Omni’s

I also think man in his pride does not like paradox’s when it comes to understanding ( even contradictions ie tulip ) and knowing God.

 

[Presby02]

And if something has not been determined there is nothing to know

Was God determined to create?

Right. Open Theism. So at some point He does come to know it which means He learns and is not omniscient.

OPEN THEISM

 

[Presby02]

My view is square. Its your view which must deny scripture showing God changes his mind; that he does not determine all of men's sin

No, actually it's not. Your declare God's omniscience yet proclaim the future is unknown.

CONTRADICTORY

 

[Presby02]

Yet God the Son does not know the day or the hour. One of the Trinity doesn’t know something

Oops

Next

Doug learned ya. Pay attention

 

[civic]

No, actually it's not. Your declare God's omniscience yet proclaim the future is unknown.

CONTRADICTORY

Yes the Trinity doesn’t know everything declared the Son who dies not know the day or the hour.

A blatant contradiction in your theology

Oops

 

[civic]

Doug learned ya. Pay attention

Nope Doug and I are much more aligned in our view of God than you are with mainstream Christianity

 

[TomL]

No, actually it's not. Your declare God's omniscience yet proclaim the future is unknown.

CONTRADICTORY

Nope

You just assume a fatalistic predetermined future and posit that is the only way God knows it

Fatalism

 

[civic]

Nope

You just assume fatalistic predetermined future and posit that is the only way God knows it

Yes it’s his presuppositions not found in scripture but based upon the uninspired teachings of depraved men.

 

[TomL]

Right. Open Theism. So at some point He does come to know it which means He learns and is not omniscient.

OPEN THEISM

Face it if God was free to create or not create the future of creation was open

Even in your view before God decreed all that was to happen the future was open

You can't escape it and even then depend on theistic fatalism for knowledge

 

[civic]

Face it if God was free to create or not create the future of creation was open

Even in your view before God decreed all that was to happen the future was open

You can't escape it

Yes you have exposed the errors in his theology a god who doesn’t think or plan , a static mind , non relational . A god who cannot love within his own being.

 

[Presby02]

Face it if God was free to create or not create the future of creation was open

Even in your view before God decreed all that was to happen the future was open

You can't escape it

And you can't escape your a contradictory Open Theist.

Your blatant contradiction you simply ignore

 

[Presby02]

Nope

You just assume a fatalistic predetermined future and posit that is the only way God knows it

Fatalism

Category error. Now he is trying to change the topic. Obviously this topic makes you uncomfortable, your Open Theism.

 

[TomL]

Yes you have exposed the errors in his theology a god who doesn’t think or plan , a static mind , non relational . A god who cannot love within his own being.

And according to his Calvinist theology knows everything only because he determined everything

 

[civic]

And you can't escape your a contradictory Open Theist.

Your blatant contradiction you simply ignore

Declared the fatalist lol

 

[Presby02]

Nope Doug and I are much more aligned in our view of God than you are with mainstream Christianity

Apparently not.

Pelagianism is not mainstream Christianity

 

[TomL]

And you can't escape your a contradictory Open Theist.

Your blatant contradiction you simply ignore

You failed to address the issue

Face it if God was free to create or not create the future of creation was open

Even in your view before God decreed all that was to happen the future was open

You can't escape it

which is why you don't