Amen Doug. Our debates are in house brother.See, there are things that Calvinist and Arminians! Who would have thunk it!
Doug
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civic
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no one is denying Gods foreknowledge of events.
strawman alert.
maybe you are conflation knowing things and doing things
Sorry that appears to be your assumption
My view is God knows all the past, present and future as they exist
If God had yet not determined to create then creation was in fact an unsettled i.e. open possibility
Your theology holds that many things God knows he knows only because he determined all things
that idea is false according to the bible
James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, āI am being tempted by God,ā for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
1John 2:16 For all that is in the worldāthe desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of lifeāis not from the Father but is from the world.
Jer. 32:35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Is. 30:1 āAh, stubborn children,ā declares the LORD,
āwho carry out a plan, but not mine,
and who make an alliance, but not of my Spirit,
that they may add sin to sin;
Gal. 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you.
1Cor. 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
1Cor. 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Rom. 11:23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
you are not really arguing for God's knowledge as much as you are arguing for divine meticulous determination of all things
So you admit that in your view God could do no other than what was done
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civic
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Apparently in his view God had this eternal knowledge he was not free to deviate from.
civic
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it appears to be the case.
civic
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I have no idea since their god does not think with his mind, never contemplates , process anything , reason, change his mind etc . Yet in Scripture we read God does those things.
Who should we believe God or man ?
Maybe you should address the some two dozen verses which state God repents/changes his mind
Again, my view squares with Hos omniscience perfectly
Your the one who denies it yet proclaims it. Your the side that has to try to redefine omniscience. Not mine
civic
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a dodger avoiding all those passages.
Maybe you should square your view with omniscience instead of talking our of both sides of your mouth
civic
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define omniscience
God knows all there is to logically know. The number of grains of sand on the beach. The number of hairs on your head. And so on.
civic
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Yet God the Son does not know the day or the hour. One of the Trinity doesnāt know something
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TibiasDad
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Only as a manā¦Jesus, who laid aside his use of his capacities, said this as a man, with only human capacities to draw from. Thatās why the he said only what the Father told him to say. (Jn 8:28)
Doug
civic
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No since you know His Person is Divine and the human nature is not a person otherwise itās Nestorianism. The human will is subject to the Divine otherwise itās the tail wagging the dog
itās why the Son is Impeccable just like the Father or else God is in fact mutable. Always fully God lacking nothing in His deity.
TibiasDad
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The divine person is the only one that has anything to lay aside. What did he lay aside if not the right to use his divine power?No since you know His Person is Divine and the human nature is not a person otherwise itās Nestorianism. The human will is subject to the Divine otherwise itās the tail wagging the dog
He is still fully God, but he chooses not to avail himself of that power and privilege.
Doug
