God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES

[Presby02]

So are you saying without the sun, moon and stars time cannot exist ? Yes or no

You asked how we tell time. I answered. God could have chosen another way.

 

[civic]

You asked how we tell time. I answered. God could have chosen another way.

So you have no idea how time is calculated . Thanks

 

[Presby02]

So you have no idea how time is calculated . Thanks

Yes, we use the Sun, Moon and the stars.

 

[civic]

Yes, we use the Sun, Moon and the stars.

Thanks for the wrong answer. Genesis days 1,2,3 had no sun, moon, stars as they were created in day 4.

So once again the Bible proves I’m correct and your beliefs are false regarding time.

Next

 

[Presby02]

Thanks for the wrong answer. Genesis days 1,2,3 had no sun, moon, stars as they were created in day 4.

So once again the Bible proves I’m correct and your beliefs are false regarding time.

Next

You said how do we tell time. LOL

Genesis days is not heaven.

Another fail

 

[Presby02]

So you have no idea how time is calculated . Thanks

Yes, by the Sun, moon and stars. Been awhile since you have been in school? Like elementary school?

 

[civic]

You said how do we tell time. LOL

Genesis days is not heaven.

Another fail

Time is time regardless if it’s heaven or the creation days .

Your bait n switch duly noted

 

[Presby02]

Time is time regardless if it’s heaven or the creation days .

Your bait n switch duly noted

Nope, time is not necessary in heaven.

 

[TomL]

How do you know there is time then?

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[TomL]

Thank you. The first act in the sequence of acts called time. Creation

you ignore the duration before creation which included the decree of God

hello

There is also a before creation. A timeless God can have no before



why is it you must ignore certain facts

 

[TomL]

Good. Then the future is not open.

You are confused

God was free to create or not create

Thus it was open

 

[TomL]

Said the Pelagian Open Theist

The claim was yours . What if? Remember? What if it's not?

To the gnostic Calvinist heretic you did not answer this

That would be an assumption nowhere stated in the bible

Did God not act in sequence in creation and was not the creation a past act and a change

 

[TomL]

No, the future was not open at that time. That implies God did not know.

Tom is a Open Theist

You ignore the fact before God decreed to create the future was open

i.e. unsettled Mr gnostic fatalist

 

[TomL]

Any dictionary will disagree with you: an inference is a logical deduction drawn from a premise or information previously established as true.

Assumption is a conclusion without supporting evidence as to its validity.

Um it has not been established God is timeless and going from no creation to creation is a change and a change indicates a passage of time

1) You can’t make a positive argument from a negative.

2) You cannot make an argument from a lack of information.

Exactly there is no biblical data saying God is timeless

There is no biblical data stating God cannot experience changes to accidental properties or relations

3) God’s very name, I am what I am indicates a static nature of being.

No it simply denotes endless being

4) In and of himself, God, as the unity of the Trinity, simply is! There is no need of interaction, for they simply know. We cannot describe this union with our abilities, words, or comprehension.

Doug

The fact is god created and experienced a change in his accidential properties and relations as well as having a before when he had not created. He also worked sequentially in creation and planned.

Things which are contrary to a timeless, simplistic static God

 

[TomL]

Was that a yes or a no Mr ambiguity ?

Looks like a dodge to me

 

[TomL]

Thanks for the wrong answer. Genesis days 1,2,3 had no sun, moon, stars as they were created in day 4.

So once again the Bible proves I’m correct and your beliefs are false regarding time.

Next

ooops

 

[civic]

ooops

A big oops lol

 

[Presby02]

Nope, time is not necessary in heaven.

Sure, that does

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Did read it. Question stands

 

[Presby02]

You ignore the fact before God decreed to create the future was open

i.e. unsettled Mr gnostic fatalist

Quote Him.

Open Theist Pelagian heretic

 

[Presby02]

To the gnostic Calvinist heretic you did not answer this

That would be an assumption nowhere stated in the bible

Did God not act in sequence in creation and was not the creation a past act and a change

Yup, sure did after causing the first act. He created time and acted in time. He is not in time however.