God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES

[TomL]

God is omniscient. A change of mind is not logically possible.

So God lied?

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

 

[Presby02]

You continue ignoring argument and scripture while assuming your definition of omniscience and that the future is completely settled

My definition is the standard definition of omniscience. I don't have to male up my own as Warren does. There is no such thing logically as dynamic omniscience.

 

[TomL]

Such as?? LOL

I think you know

 

[Presby02]

So God lied?

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Nope. Who said He lied?

 

[Presby02]

I think you know

Such as? Let's hear it

 

[TomL]

My definition is the standard definition of omniscience. I don't have to male up my own as Warren does. There is no such thing logically as dynamic omniscience.

How is an affirmation that God knows all facts a denial of omniscience?

You are simply incorporating your belief in a fatalistic settled view of all reality into the definition

 

[TomL]

Such as? Let's hear it

Myself for one. Civic for another

 

[TomL]

Nope. Who said He lied?

You must have as you denied what he stated

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

and do not address these passages

 

[Presby02]

You must have as you denied what he stated

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

and do not address these passages

LOL, si if I say if you spoed in your car I will take it away from you, that is a lie???? I know you won't. I put a governor on it. That's a lie? Your funny dude

 

[Presby02]

Myself for one. Civic for another

I run circles around both of you. Civic runs from our zoom calls he was allegedly setting up. At least twice.

 

[Presby02]

How is an affirmation that God knows all facts a denial of omniscience?

You are simply incorporating your belief in a fatalistic settled view of all reality into the definition

All facts? Exhaustively? Past, present and future?

 

[TomL]

LOL, si if I say if you spoed in your car I will take it away from you, that is a lie???? I know you won't. I put a governor on it. That's a lie? Your funny dude

were you unable to read

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Why do you omit the words change your mind

God states he can change his mind

You have him not being able to change his mind

If your statement is true that God cannot change his mind and assuming naturally he knew that and stated he was going to change his mind that would be a lie as he knew he could not

 

[Presby02]

were you unable to read

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Why do you omit the words change your mind

God states he can change his mind

You have him not being able to change his mind

If your statement is true that God cannot change his mind and assuming naturally he knew that and stated he was going to change his mind that would be a lie as he knew he could not

Nope, as my illustration pointed out the fallacy in your arguement.

 

[TomL]

All facts? Exhaustively? Past, present and future?

Yes all facts

The difference here is you assume the future consists of all settled facts

 

[TomL]

Nope, as my illustration pointed out the fallacy in your arguement.

Sorry your illustration was defective and did not deal with the heart of the matter

were you unable to read

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Why do you omit the words change my mind

God states he will change his mind

You have him not being able to change his mind

If your statement is true that God cannot change his mind and assuming naturally he knew that and stated he was going to change his mind that would be a lie as he knew he could not

you did not deal with it

 

[Presby02]

Yes all facts

The difference here is you assume the future consists of all settled facts

If they are not settled then they are unknown. So apparently not all facts. Your talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[Presby02]

Sorry your illustration was defective and did not deal with the heart of the matter

were you unable to read

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Why do you omit the words change my mind

God states he will change his mind

You have him not being able to change his mind

If your statement is true that God cannot change his mind and assuming naturally he knew that and stated he was going to change his mind that would be a lie as he knew he could not

you did not deal with it

Defective? Defective how? Saying it don't make it so.

 

[TomL]

Defective? Defective how? Saying it don't make it so.

Read as I told you how

Sorry your illustration was defective and did not deal with the heart of the matter

were you unable to read

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Why do you omit the words change my mind

God states he will change his mind

You have him not being able to change his mind

If your statement is true that God cannot change his mind and assuming naturally he knew that and stated he was going to change his mind that would be a lie as he knew he could not

you did not deal with it

 

[TomL]

If they are not settled then they are unknown. So apparently not all facts. Your talking out of both sides of your mouth.

If unknown and unsettled there would be no fact there to know. Would there be?

 

[Presby02]

Read as I told you how

Sorry your illustration was defective and did not deal with the heart of the matter

were you unable to read

Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Why do you omit the words change my mind

God states he will change his mind

You have him not being able to change his mind

If your statement is true that God cannot change his mind and assuming naturally he knew that and stated he was going to change his mind that would be a lie as he knew he could not

you did not deal with it

How was it defective?