101G
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Don't THINK, "KNOW". let God guide you to the truth.....
Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."101G.
Were the Men of Sodom Homosexual?
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Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."101G.
civic
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I’ve corrected your numerous errors in this thread just like I do with the Godhead.
MTMattie
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Who all is we?
civic
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MTMattie
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I do know, because He has.Don't THINK, "KNOW". let God guide you to the truth.....
101G.
I said, Just not for publication me thinks.
You have a copious lack of imagination if you cannot understand why I said it like that... but if it makes you happier, I shall rephrase to say. It is not for publication because I do not want YOU to be the one who gets me kicked off the board.
OTOH... I could, if felt so moved, send you a DM and tell you there.
civic
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You won’t get kicked off lol
atpollard
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Well, the beard in your picture is a bit misleading.
DavidTree
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Just a little - lolWell, the beard in your picture is a bit misleading.
atpollard
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I am not sure how a discussion of Lot and Sodom ended up in the weeds of eschatology … but as long as we are going to whack away at this sand trap (I chose Golf over Pink Pong for my analogies) … I am a partial preterist. Everything is ready for the second coming but Jesus actual return [and that will come like a thief in the night … when no one is expecting it].
The army gathered and Jerusalem was destroyed and the tribulation was terrible and the Christians heeded the warning and escaped. Now we are up to the part where “God is not slow” but is gathering in the FULL HARVEST of souls and we are to have our wicks trimmed and oil in our lamps because only the FATHER knows the exact hour when the Son will return … however, when Jesus returns, EVERYONE will know it!
Then comes the feast and everything made new and eternity.
The army gathered and Jerusalem was destroyed and the tribulation was terrible and the Christians heeded the warning and escaped. Now we are up to the part where “God is not slow” but is gathering in the FULL HARVEST of souls and we are to have our wicks trimmed and oil in our lamps because only the FATHER knows the exact hour when the Son will return … however, when Jesus returns, EVERYONE will know it!
Then comes the feast and everything made new and eternity.
DavidTree
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Why call the escatology found in Scripture "weeds"???
S&D is a main point of Biblical eschatology = JESUS Says So Luke 17:22-32
Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. And they will say to you, ‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back.
Remember Lot’s wife.
101G
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@MTMattie @civic @Fred
you fellas just did not read Judges chapter 19, .... very well did you? now read Judges chapter 20, for this is a direct action, or RE-ACTION to what happen in chapter 19. The Levite who concubine was KILLED, the Levite tells us what the men who surrounded the house wanted to do. LISTEN, Judges 20:4 "And the Levite, the husband of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge." Judges 20:5 "And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: (STOP READ THAT AGAIN). and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead." Judges 20:6 "And I took my concubine, and cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the country of the inheritance of Israel: for they have committed lewdness and folly in Israel." Judges 20:7 "Behold, ye are all children of Israel; give here your advice and counsel."
the KEYWORDS are in Judges 20:5 "And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me:" But his concubine they RAPED, and defile her. and defile is another word for "assault" and assault means, "make a physical attack on:" ... result she was beatten,,,,, unto DEATH.
so we see that the men who surrounded the HOUSE in both cases was not HOMOSEXUAL. for Homosexual prefer the same Sex/or Gender.... hence the term ..... "HOMO" same sex.... well virgin daughters are not ... "MEN" in gender. so not of the same Sex/or Gender of these men. so, the men in each case was not HOMOSEXUALS.
but the MAIN POINT is that the purpose of the surrounding of the House was to .... "KILL" the man, (no escape). now let's go back to Judges 19:22 "Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him." what! KNOW HIM? and what did the Levite say? Judges 20:4 "And the Levite, the husband of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge." Judges 20:5 "And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead."
well to "know" HIM WAS TO "KILL" him..... BINGO. so when one use the term, "KNOW", it do not always means a sexual encounter..... you and all of your scholars are busted in the Word of God.
CASE CLOSED....
motto, follow men instead of God ... you will fall......... no ping pong here.... (smile)...
101G.
you fellas just did not read Judges chapter 19, .... very well did you? now read Judges chapter 20, for this is a direct action, or RE-ACTION to what happen in chapter 19. The Levite who concubine was KILLED, the Levite tells us what the men who surrounded the house wanted to do. LISTEN, Judges 20:4 "And the Levite, the husband of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge." Judges 20:5 "And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: (STOP READ THAT AGAIN). and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead." Judges 20:6 "And I took my concubine, and cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the country of the inheritance of Israel: for they have committed lewdness and folly in Israel." Judges 20:7 "Behold, ye are all children of Israel; give here your advice and counsel."
the KEYWORDS are in Judges 20:5 "And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me:" But his concubine they RAPED, and defile her. and defile is another word for "assault" and assault means, "make a physical attack on:" ... result she was beatten,,,,, unto DEATH.
so we see that the men who surrounded the HOUSE in both cases was not HOMOSEXUAL. for Homosexual prefer the same Sex/or Gender.... hence the term ..... "HOMO" same sex.... well virgin daughters are not ... "MEN" in gender. so not of the same Sex/or Gender of these men. so, the men in each case was not HOMOSEXUALS.
but the MAIN POINT is that the purpose of the surrounding of the House was to .... "KILL" the man, (no escape). now let's go back to Judges 19:22 "Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him." what! KNOW HIM? and what did the Levite say? Judges 20:4 "And the Levite, the husband of the woman that was slain, answered and said, I came into Gibeah that belongeth to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to lodge." Judges 20:5 "And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead."
well to "know" HIM WAS TO "KILL" him..... BINGO. so when one use the term, "KNOW", it do not always means a sexual encounter..... you and all of your scholars are busted in the Word of God.
CASE CLOSED....
motto, follow men instead of God ... you will fall......... no ping pong here.... (smile)...
101G.
101G
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Greeting,
First the preterist view are flawed. Let 101G explained. the Lord Jesus returned on the day of Pentecost. which is a RETURN, and not his second coming, or Parousia. scripture, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
How plain can one get?
now as for eschatology, see the OLD TEATAMENT is the NEW TESTAMENT .... HIDDEN, better known as TYPES, FIGUERS, and SHADOW. and the NEW TESTAMENT is the OLD TESTAMENT ..... "REVEALED".
101G.
BINGO, and not PING PONG..... lol, Oh my.
101G
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thanks for all on that. if one get kicked off .... how would they ever LEARN. as the scriptures clearly states, we who are strong must bear with the weak. Romans 15:1.
there is nothing anyone can say that would offend 101G. for if anything, 101G knows it's not in anyone's heart. only in the head.
101G believe B.A.M. is a safe ....... "ROOF" ..... to come under...... (smile)..... see 101G just have a good ole time. why not the rest of us?
101G.
atpollard
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It was a Golfing term. To “end up in the weeds” means to hit the ball off the mowed grass where the game is intended and to land in the unmoved grass surrounding it. This topic is supposed to be about Lot and Sodom. Jesus’ ultimate return and armies surrounding Jerusalem are not topics typically associated with conversations about Lot and Sodom. Thus THIS conversation started out on the trimmed grass of the “fairway” of a topic on Sodom and Lot and Angels and ended up outside the expected path and unto the tall grass (“in the weeds” in Golf) of a completely different topic.
That said, calling eschatology “weeds” is not a completely inappropriate analogy. Like a weed, the subject springs is uninvited and chokes out the rest of the garden (topic). It is often an unruly and hard to control topic. Once started, it is nearly impossible to kill. There is seldom agreement on the merits of either a weed or an eschatological position.
atpollard
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Except for the comment on Pentecost (where I see no return of Jesus in Acts 2) … I understand the arguments and simply disagree. The vast majority of “end time” prophecies were accomplished by the destruction of the Temple. Those that remain, generally require Jesus’ actual, physical second return … like he left and like he promised.
civic
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Good job weaving in those golf terms , I’m being a couch potato watching the US OpenIt was a Golfing term. To “end up in the weeds” means to hit the ball off the mowed grass where the game is intended and to land in the unmoved grass surrounding it. This topic is supposed to be about Lot and Sodom. Jesus’ ultimate return and armies surrounding Jerusalem are not topics typically associated with conversations about Lot and Sodom. Thus THIS conversation started out on the trimmed grass of the “fairway” of a topic on Sodom and Lot and Angels and ended up outside the expected path and unto the tall grass (“in the weeds” in Golf) of a completely different topic.
That said, calling eschatology “weeds” is not a completely inappropriate analogy. Like a weed, the subject springs is uninvited and chokes out the rest of the garden (topic). It is often an unruly and hard to control topic. Once started, it is nearly impossible to kill. There is seldom agreement on the merits of either a weed or an eschatological position.
DavidTree
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JESUS Says: Sodom and Gomorrah are on the putting green = no weeds there BrotherIt was a Golfing term. To “end up in the weeds” means to hit the ball off the mowed grass where the game is intended and to land in the unmoved grass surrounding it. This topic is supposed to be about Lot and Sodom. Jesus’ ultimate return and armies surrounding Jerusalem are not topics typically associated with conversations about Lot and Sodom. Thus THIS conversation started out on the trimmed grass of the “fairway” of a topic on Sodom and Lot and Angels and ended up outside the expected path and unto the tall grass (“in the weeds” in Golf) of a completely different topic.
That said, calling eschatology “weeds” is not a completely inappropriate analogy. Like a weed, the subject springs is uninvited and chokes out the rest of the garden (topic). It is often an unruly and hard to control topic. Once started, it is nearly impossible to kill. There is seldom agreement on the merits of either a weed or an eschatological position.
DavidTree
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When S&D is on the topic of eschatology you need to pull out your best putting clubGood job weaving in those golf terms , I’m being a couch potato watching the US Open
101G
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Oh boy... Listen and LEARN. know the difference between a RETURN and a COMMING.... ok. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" when did the first COMFORTER come? answer, Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."
Consolation: G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870
one who gives Comfort is a COMFORTER, and one who gives help is a HELPER..... this child that is BORN, that Son that was Given, (per Isaiah chapter 9 and verse 6 is called the MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTINF FATHER, this is the Lord Jesus.
now the return.... Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." one more, Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."
the KOG is whin us ... right, .... right. listen, Luke 17:20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
is not the KOG, the Holy Spirit within us? ..... now the scripture states, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:". did one see, (him the Lord Jesus on the day of Pentecost? no). but did not the Lord Jesus say, "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.", so, some was alive when the KINGDOM came... on Pentecost. and he said, "see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." now 101G ask is the Son of MAN, not the son of God, but the son of man, is he the son of man flesh and blood? no, he has no blood after his resurrection. so they did not see the man but he the Spirit. now this is the RETURN to the First ... "COMMING". now the Second Coming, or his Parousia. scripture, Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." so, his first coming was in flesh as a babe, Luke chapter 2. upon his resurrection, and now LIVE by the Spirit, he COMES again .... his Parousia where all or every eyes will see him. Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." BINGO. remember he said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" well did we see him on the day of Pentecost? no, but when he comes on the clouds we then will be able to observe him.
so Christ has two coming and one return. this is basic bible study, one should know these things.
101G.
