You quoted yourself? LOL
There is no arguement. Not to mention Tyler pretty well schooled him on his made up context which he makes up not in the text itself. It's laughable
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There is no arguement. Not to mention Tyler pretty well schooled him on his made up context which he makes up not in the text itself. It's laughable
Hardly Warren won that debate when he busted Vela's understanding of Num 23:19
There certainly is an argument which you do not address
the context there i think you have to understand according to its context and the analogy of the faith. What we have is um that you have king balak who has hired balaam to curse the people of israel that god said he was going to bless and balaam is saying look god's not a liar. i'm not he's not going to change his mind because he they haven't done anything to merit this he said he's going to bless them he's not going to turn around and curse them and so i think what happens when you're when you're looking at these is you're taking these texts where god says here is why i'm not changing my mind here i'm not willing to do it and then you take that and you make that an ontological claim and you claim that that's the didactic statements of just of the text and i don't see how that's actually supported either with the immediate language the grammar the word choice the sentence structure the literary device or genres
and it is consistent with
Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
Jeremiah 26:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
or as this translation puts it
Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.
Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.
Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.
Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.
That would be addressing his character, not the idea God can change his mind in response to a change in man's actions
Tyler Vela
Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.
Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.
Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.
Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.
More fabrication
Do better
Logically if you do nor read him you cannot know what you claim
As do some non Calvinists on this siteHe knows Calvinism better than you
What does that mean?
God Changes His Mind
The Ninevites Change God’s Mind
John. 3:10: “When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it.”
Hezekiah’s Prayer Changes God’s Mind
God prophecies to Hezekiah through Isaiah: “Set your house in order, for you shall die; you shall not recover” (Isa. 38: 1, cf. 2 K. 20: 1). Hezekiah earnestly prays for God to spare him. The Lord responds:
Turn back and say to Hezekiah prince of my people, Thus says the Lord, the god of your ancestor David: I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; indeed, I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. I will add fifteen years to your life. I will deliver you and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria(2 Kg. 20: 5-6; cf. Isa. 33:4-5)
Jeremiah later encourages the Israelites not to be fatalistic by recalling the ordeal:
“Did (Hezekiah) not fear the Lord and entreat the favor of the Lord, and did not the Lord change his mind about the disaster that he had pronounced against them?” (Jere. 26:19).
God’s Flexible Policy About Prophecy
At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it. And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to itThus says the Lord: Look I am a potter shaping evil against you and devising a plan against you. Turn now, all of you from your evil way, and amend your ways and your doings. (Jere. 18: 7-11).
Note the “potter/clay” analogy of divine sovereignty (Jere. 18: 1-6). The potter is so sovereign he has the right to change his mind if chooses to!
Note, the error the Israelites were making was in concluding that since God had prophesied against them, “It is no use!” (vs.12).
Stand in the court of the Lords house, and speak to all the cities of Judah that come to worship in the house of the LORD; speak to them all the words that I command you…It may be that they will listen… and will turn from their evil way, that I may change my mind about the disaster that I intend to bring on them because of their evil doings (Jere. 26:2-3).
Now therefore amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your god, and the Lord will change his mind about the disaster that he has pronounced against you (Jere. 26:13).
Return to the Lordfor he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger and relents from punishing. Who knows whether he will not turn and relent, and leave a blessing behind him…(Joel 2:13-14, cf. Jon. 4:2).
Moses’ Prayer Changes God’s Mind
The Lord had planned on destroying Israel, but after Moses prayer “the Lord changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people.” (Ex. 32:14).
Warren is a joke. He should not even be in the same room with Vela. Mr. Dynamic omniscience which definition ally is not omniscient at all.
spare meI have listened to him. That was a enough. He is not all that bright.
All of this flys in the face of God's omniscience. It implys God did not know what would happen.
We have another Open Theist here.
Then you are contradicting yourself
If they are not settled then they are uncertain. He is not sure. You deny God's omniscience.
Your a Open Theist
The Bible says God does not change His mind. Numbers 23:19
A change of mind denies His omniscience
Such as?? LOL
Um My understanding is unfortunately Tyler Vella has renounced his christian faithWarren is a joke. He should not even be in the same room with Vela. Mr. Dynamic omniscience which definition ally is not omniscient at all.
Be that as it may you have not addressed the argument and are merely attacking persons
the context there i think you have to understand according to its context and the analogy of the faith. What we have is um that you have king balak who has hired balaam to curse the people of israel that god said he was going to bless and balaam is saying look god's not a liar. i'm not he's not going to change his mind because he they haven't done anything to merit this he said he's going to bless them he's not going to turn around and curse them and so i think what happens when you're when you're looking at these is you're taking these texts where god says here is why i'm not changing my mind here i'm not willing to do it and then you take that and you make that an ontological claim and you claim that that's the didactic statements of just of the text and i don't see how that's actually supported either with the immediate language the grammar the word choice the sentence structure the literary device or genres
and it is consistent with
Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
Jeremiah 26:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
or as this translation puts it
Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.
Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.
Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.
Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.
God is omniscient. A change of mind is not logically possible.
This simply denies Gods omniscience. Warren knows it so he makes up dynamic omniscience. Which is not omniscience at all.
You continue ignoring the argument this was event specific where there was no change in Israels behavior thus God would not change his mind
the context there i think you have to understand according to its context and the analogy of the faith. What we have is um that you have king balak who has hired balaam to curse the people of israel that god said he was going to bless and balaam is saying look god's not a liar. i'm not he's not going to change his mind because he they haven't done anything to merit this he said he's going to bless them he's not going to turn around and curse them and so i think what happens when you're when you're looking at these is you're taking these texts where god says here is why i'm not changing my mind here i'm not willing to do it and then you take that and you make that an ontological claim and you claim that that's the didactic statements of just of the text and i don't see how that's actually supported either with the immediate language the grammar the word choice the sentence structure the literary device or genres
and it is consistent with
Jeremiah 18:7–10 (KJV 1900) — 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
Jeremiah 26:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
or as this translation puts it
Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.
Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.
Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.
Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.
as well as ignoring other scripture
Jer 18:8and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.
Jer 18:10but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.
Jer 26:3Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.
Joel 2:14I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.
God Changes His Mind
The Ninevites Change God’s Mind
John. 3:10: “When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it.”
Hezekiah’s Prayer Changes God’s Mind
God prophecies to Hezekiah through Isaiah: “Set your house in order, for you shall die; you shall not recover” (Isa. 38: 1, cf. 2 K. 20: 1). Hezekiah earnestly prays for God to spare him. The Lord responds:
Turn back and say to Hezekiah prince of my people, Thus says the Lord, the god of your ancestor David: I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; indeed, I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. I will add fifteen years to your life. I will deliver you and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria(2 Kg. 20: 5-6; cf. Isa. 33:4-5)
Jeremiah later encourages the Israelites not to be fatalistic by recalling the ordeal:
“Did (Hezekiah) not fear the Lord and entreat the favor of the Lord, and did not the Lord change his mind about the disaster that he had pronounced against them?” (Jere. 26:19).
God’s Flexible Policy About Prophecy
At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it. And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to itThus says the Lord: Look I am a potter shaping evil against you and devising a plan against you. Turn now, all of you from your evil way, and amend your ways and your doings. (Jere. 18: 7-11).
Note the “potter/clay” analogy of divine sovereignty (Jere. 18: 1-6). The potter is so sovereign he has the right to change his mind if chooses to!
Note, the error the Israelites were making was in concluding that since God had prophesied against them, “It is no use!” (vs.12).
Stand in the court of the Lords house, and speak to all the cities of Judah that come to worship in the house of the LORD; speak to them all the words that I command you…It may be that they will listen… and will turn from their evil way, that I may change my mind about the disaster that I intend to bring on them because of their evil doings (Jere. 26:2-3).
Now therefore amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your god, and the Lord will change his mind about the disaster that he has pronounced against you (Jere. 26:13).
Return to the Lordfor he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger and relents from punishing. Who knows whether he will not turn and relent, and leave a blessing behind him…(Joel 2:13-14, cf. Jon. 4:2).
Moses’ Prayer Changes God’s Mind
The Lord had planned on destroying Israel, but after Moses prayer “the Lord changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people.” (Ex. 32:14).
You continue ignoring argument and scripture while assuming your definition of omniscience and that the future is completely settled
