God Has Made No Covenant With Gentiles

[L.A.M.B.]

(Re: #327 & #324)

'Wherefore remember,
that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
who are called Uncircumcision
by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off
are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For He is our peace, Who hath made both one,
and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;'
(Eph 2:11-15)

'And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
having slain the enmity thereby:
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.'
(Eph 2:16-22)

Praise God!

YES and AMEN

 

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first, thanks for the reply. second, the covenant of promise was made with all mankind from the day man sinned in the garden. Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

'And the servant of the Lord must not strive;
but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,'
(2Tim.2:24 )

Hello @101G,

I thank God for your portrayal of the qualities expressed in the verse above.

* This indeed is a promise made by God to that great serpent (Rev.12:9) in the garden of Eden.

notice the term "SEED" meaning one. just as with Abraham ... being reaffirmed. Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee." Please note, this covenant of promist was future tense. "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant," first, will establish was not then, but it is "PROMISE" to come. second, "after thee in their generations", so the covenant will be generations after Abraham. and third, "for an everlasting covenant" meaning if the Mosaic covenant was EVERLASTING it would be in force now. so the Mosaic covenant was not EVERLASTING. so, this promise of Covenant was not made with the Nation of Israel. but was made with all mankind. for the promise was by Faith.

* The covenant made in Genesis 17:7 is indeed an everlasting covenant, signified by circumcision, (Gen.17:10-14). It was a conditional promise, conditional on the act of circumcision taking place (Gen. 17:14). Made with Abraham and his seed after Him, concerning the land of promise.

thanks, for you have made my point. the covenant of promise is not according to the flesh, but to the Spirit. listen, how was Job a "son of God?". A. he was righteous, yes righteous. supportive scripture. Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

not only was Job Perfect, but he was "UPRIGHT" and upright in Hebrew is,
H3477 יָשָׁר yashar (yaw-shawr') adj.
straight.
{literally or figuratively}
[from H3474]
KJV: convenient, equity, Jasher, just, meet(-est), + pleased well right(-eous), straight, (most) upright(-ly, -ness).
Root(s): H3474

BINGO, there is our word. the KJV can translate "upright" as Just, which is short for Justification. and we all know what Justification means right.... it means Declared "RIGHTIOUS". this is why Job was a son of God, because he walked with God. and by walking with God this is why he was called a son of God. supportive scripture, Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east."

please note the term "men" here in verse 3. it is the Hebrew word, H1121 בֵּן ben (bane). the same exact word used in Genesis 6:4.
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
{in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
[from H1129]
KJV: + afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.
Root(s): H1129

now STOP and think. Job was not Jewish, nor an Israelite.

* Thank you for the detail above.
* Yet, 'If' Job was indeed the son of Issachar (see again Genesis 46:13) then he was an Israelite, being the offspring of one of the twelve sons of Jacob. However we are not told directly, so cannot be absolutely sure. The land of Uz in which Job dwelt, could have been named after Uz, who was an offspring of Arum one of the sons of Shem (Gen.10:23).

... also take Moses father in law, Jethro. he was priest of God before Israel was born as a nation. Exodus 3:1 "Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb."

please understand Gentiles was Keeping God General Natural Law, and this Law was written on their hearts. listen, Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" LISTEN CLOSLEY, Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" so the question that must be ask...... what LAW was written in the Gentiles hearts? answer, Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" this is exactly what God REQUIRE TODAY. if one LOVE, he do justly, or do RIGHTIOUSNESS. if one LOVE, he is Merciful. if one LOVE, he walks humbly with his God. the REQUIREMENT was then UNDER the OT, and is now, under the NT. and some Gentiles, not all, but many was LIVING with God under those Requirement. as the apostle said, "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"

correct, in Christ is by FAITH. and these gentiles .... many was Living by FAITH. a fact which Israel was to LEARN.

101G.

* Thank you again, 101G,

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[koberstein]

'And the angel said unto her,
Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb,
and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:
And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever;
and of His kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.'
(Luk 1:30-35)

The angel said to her, "Don't be afraid Miryam, for you have found favor with God.
Look! You will become pregnant, you will give birth to a son, and you are to name
him Yeshua. He will be great, he will be called Son of Ha'Elyon (Son of God). Adonai,
God, will give him to the throne of his forefather David; and he will rule the House
of Ya'akov forever --- there will be no end to his Kingdom" "How can this be,"
asked Miryam of the angel, "since I am a virgin?" The angel answered her,
"The Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) will come over you, the power of Ha'Elyon
Therefore the holy child born to you will be called the Son of God.
(Luke 1:30-35) Jewish Messianic Version

 

[koberstein]

(Re: #327 & #324)

'Wherefore remember,
that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
who are called Uncircumcision
by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off
are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For He is our peace, Who hath made both one,
and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;'
(Eph 2:11-15)

'And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
having slain the enmity thereby:
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.'
(Eph 2:16-22)

Praise God!

 

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my dear sister. I'm not sure the Gentiles was not strangers from the covenant of promise. for our brother Job, (who was a son of God was keep God natural Law which we are under today as was required of God from the beginning.

'For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren,
my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Who are Israelites;
.. to whom pertaineth the adoption,
.... and the glory,
...... and the covenants,
........ and the giving of the law,
.......... and the service of God,
............ and the promises;
Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,
Who is over all,
God blessed for ever.
Amen.'
(Rom 9:3-5)

 

[koberstein]

But now, you who were once far off have been brought near through the shedding
of the Messiah's blood. For he himself is our shalom --- he has made us both one
and has broken down the m'chitzah (partition) which divided us by destroying his
own body the enmity occasioned by the Torah, with its commandments set forth
in the form of ordinances. He did this in order to create in union with himself from
the two groups a single new humanity and thus make Shalom, and in order to
reconcile to God both in a single body by being executed on a stake as a criminal
and thus in himself killing that enmity.
Also, when he came, he announced as Good News shalom to you far off and
shalom to those nearby, news that through him we both have access in one Spirit
to the Father.
So then, you are no longer foreigners and strangers. On the contrary, you are fellow
citizens with God's people amd members of God's family. You have been built on the
foundation of the emissaries and the prophets, with the cornerstone being Yeshua
the Messiah himself. In union with him the whole building is held together, and
it is growing into a holy temple in union with the Lord. Yes, in union with him, you
yourselves are being built together into a spiritual dwelling-place for God!
(Ephesians 2:13-22) Jewish Messianic Version

 

[101G]

Im simply saying, Christs origin is from heaven. 1 Cor 15 47

The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply. Second, Christ did not Come from Heaven. Jesus the Spirit came from Heaven. Christ is natural flesh bone and blood. nothing NATURAL is from Heaven, this is why we all must be changed. for.... 1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

now, the First man is of the EARTH, and Second, or Last Man is the Lord from Heaven. now my question to you is this. "is the Lord, not Christ, but the Lord is he spiritual, or Natural? answer Spiritual. Christ is Natural, from Mary. but the Spirit is from heaven. just as OUR "spirits" are from Heaven, never BORN of a Woman. supportive scripture. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" and when your body die, or return back to the EARTH from where it came from, the spirit returns to God who Gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." please understand, when we say MAN, there is the OUTWARD Man, flesh bone and Blood that a woman Birth. there is the INNER Man which God gives to that Body, hence a LIVING SOUL. please know and understand the difference between the OUTWARD MAN, and the INNER MAN. Christ is the OUTWARD MAN who came out of Mary, called the Son of God. supportive scripture. Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." now the son of Man which is spirit, is not born, but is given to the body that is Born. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:31 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all."

note: John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.". Christ did not come from heaven, but JESUS ..... "The Lord" did..... come from Heaven. Understand now?

101G.

 

[101G]

* Thank you for the detail above.
* Yet, 'If' Job was indeed the son of Issachar (see again Genesis 46:13) then he was an Israelite, being the offspring of one of the twelve sons of Jacob. However we are not told directly, so cannot be absolutely sure. The land of Uz in which Job dwelt, could have been named after Uz, who was an offspring of Arum one of the sons of Shem (Gen.10:23).

well the bible is complete, Complete. listen to the scriptures. notice Job was a man of the EAST. first Evidence Job was before the Nation of Israel, Abraham second wife Keturah. Genesis 25:1 "Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah." Genesis 25:2 "And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah." Genesis 25:3 "And Jokshan begat Sheba, and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim, and Letushim, and Leummim." Genesis 25:4 "And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Hanoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah."

Medan or Midian? the same person. do this Name seem familiar? it should. scripture, Genesis 37:27 "Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content." Genesis 37:28 "Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt."

and ONE MORE, Exodus 2:15 "Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well." and guess who did he meet there? his father in law. Exodus 3:1 "Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb."

now why is MIDIAN are so important? Matthew 2:1 "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem," WISE MEN FROM THE EAST. now back to Abraham and his second wife. LISTEN CAREFULLY. Genesis 25:6 "But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country." WHERE DID ABRAHAM SENT THEM? eastward, unto the east country. and where did Job dwelt? let the bible speak, Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Job 1:2 "And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters." Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east." where did Job dwell? in the EAST COUNTRY, and where did Abraham send his boys that he had from Keturah.? answer, Genesis 25:6 "But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country." and who was one of these sons? answer, Genesis 25:1 "Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah." Genesis 25:2 "And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah." Genesis 25:3 "And Jokshan begat Sheba, and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim, and Letushim, and Leummim." Genesis 25:4 "And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Hanoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah."

and these men was "WISE" just like Solomon. Matthew 2:1 "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem," was not Job Wise? he is upright, and another word for upright is Just, and Just or Justified is also "WISE". also "Perfect" is another word for JUST. so Job was a "WISE MAN". perfect and upright. and the Midianites was a nation before Israel Was. 101G used the connection.... MEN of the EAST.

and thank you for asking.

101G.

 

[brightfame52]

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply. Second, Christ did not Come from Heaven. Jesus the Spirit came from Heaven. Christ is natural flesh bone and blood. nothing NATURAL is from Heaven, this is why we all must be changed. for.... 1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

now, the First man is of the EARTH, and Second, or Last Man is the Lord from Heaven. now my question to you is this. "is the Lord, not Christ, but the Lord is he spiritual, or Natural? answer Spiritual. Christ is Natural, from Mary. but the Spirit is from heaven. just as OUR "spirits" are from Heaven, never BORN of a Woman. supportive scripture. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" and when your body die, or return back to the EARTH from where it came from, the spirit returns to God who Gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." please understand, when we say MAN, there is the OUTWARD Man, flesh bone and Blood that a woman Birth. there is the INNER Man which God gives to that Body, hence a LIVING SOUL. please know and understand the difference between the OUTWARD MAN, and the INNER MAN. Christ is the OUTWARD MAN who came out of Mary, called the Son of God. supportive scripture. Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." now the son of Man which is spirit, is not born, but is given to the body that is Born. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:31 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all."

note: John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.". Christ did not come from heaven, but JESUS ..... "The Lord" did..... come from Heaven. Understand now?

101G.

Jesus Christ wasnt natural

 

[101G]

Jesus Christ wasnt natural

if he was not, why then was he changed in the resurrection?

101G.

 

[brightfame52]

if he was not, why then was he changed in the resurrection?

101G.

That has nothing to do with whether or not He wasnt a Natural Man, He was Spiritual/heavenly even when He was here in the Body of Flesh

What does scripture say ? Jn 8 23

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

 

[101G]

That has nothing to do with whether or not He wasnt a Natural Man, He was Spiritual/heavenly even when He was here in the Body of Flesh

What does scripture say ? Jn 8 23

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

well you proved my point, if he's NOT OF THIS WORLD, THEN HE THE "Lord" WAS NOT BORN"..... HELLO. only the body, the son of God was born. as Isaiah 9:6 clearly states. A child is BORN, (Son of God), flesh, a body.

101G

 

[brightfame52]

well you proved my point, if he's NOT OF THIS WORLD, THEN HE THE "Lord" WAS NOT BORN"..... HELLO. only the body, the son of God was born. as Isaiah 9:6 clearly states. A child is BORN, (Son of God), flesh, a body.

101G

Jesus is a Man from Heaven 1 Cor 15:47

The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus was never in the loins of any man. No one is denying His Humanity or Deity, you are totally confused. He fulfilled the Davidic Promise through Mary a Physical Descendant of David, not through any mans loins. The hypostatic union isnt in jeopardy, that's your camaflouge for your deception, since you believe a lie

The bottom line is that if Jesus was not in the loins of Abraham and his seed, then Jesus is not human and is separated from the Promises and the covenant and cannot be High Priest and Intercessor. His conception is tied to Abraham as his seed and therefore human in every sense of the word being that God used the one egg in total and not splice it just to use her DNA. Jesus the man is the seed of Abraham.

 

[brightfame52]

The bottom line is that if Jesus was not in the loins of Abraham and his seed, then Jesus is not human and is separated from the Promises and the covenant and cannot be High Priest and Intercessor. His conception is tied to Abraham as his seed and therefore human in every sense of the word being that God used the one egg in total and not splice it just to use her DNA. Jesus the man is the seed of Abraham.

Jesus was never in the loins of Abraham nor David but from out of His biological Mother Mary who was out of their loins, and He was Human. With your perverted understanding, their was really no need for the Virgin Birth.

 

[101G]

Jesus is a Man from Heaven 1 Cor 15:47

The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

GINOLJC, to all.
is the Lord Jesus a Man in heaven before he came in flesh...... please answer.

101G.

 

[brightfame52]

GINOLJC, to all.
is the Lord Jesus a Man in heaven before he came in flesh...... please answer.

101G.

Yes. He has always been the Mediator Man 1 Tim 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Did Adam have a Mediator ? Did all the OT Saints have a Mediator ?

 

[101G]

Yes. He has always been the Mediator Man 1 Tim 2:5

1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
if this is true, then he had to make all things, HEAVEN, and EARTH.... Correct. well the LORD did that see Isaiah 44:24.

so, 101G ask you, is Jesus the Christ...... note 101G said Jesus the Christ, is he the LORD, (all Cap), who is not flesh bone and blood. your answer please.

101G.

 

[brightfame52]

1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
if this is true, then he had to make all things, HEAVEN, and EARTH.... Correct. well the LORD did that see Isaiah 44:24.

so, 101G ask you, is Jesus the Christ...... note 101G said Jesus the Christ, is he the LORD, (all Cap), who is not flesh bone and blood. your answer please.

101G.

Did the OT Saints have a Mediator ? Yes or No

 

[101G]

Did the OT Saints have a Mediator ? Yes or No

which saints? now if you're saying Gentiles as a whole. listen to the bible. Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:"
and was not ISRAEL.... afterward even receiving the Mosaic law, whom Moses was their mediator.... what did God require? answer. Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"

note, before, and during and after the Mosaic law, God Required only a few simple things of MAN. please reread Micah 6:8.

see when the Gentiles do Justly, and have Mercy, and walk humbly with their God. then they are righteous before God....... yes, no animal sacrifice, and other civil law the Jews added. understand God did not REQUIRE that, for obedience is better than sacrifice.

please just read the bible with the Holy Spirit and get a. KNOWLEDGE, and b. UNDERSTANDING.

101G.