God Has Made No Covenant With Gentiles

[dwight92070]

I don't see why any of you continue to communicate with Jeremiah1five. His doctrine is heresy and he won't listen to any scripture or reason that contradicts his way of seeing things. And believe me, there are plenty of scriptures that do just that.
Titus 3:10 talks about him. "Reject a factious man after a first and second warning."

 

[synergy]

I don't see why any of you continue to communicate with Jeremiah1five. His doctrine is heresy and he won't listen to any scripture or reason that contradicts his way of seeing things. And believe me, there are plenty of scriptures that do just that.
Titus 3:10 talks about him. "Reject a factious man after a first and second warning."

I was once in the throws of Protestant Gnosticism and Nestorian heresies and it's due to my Pastor sticking with me that I was finally liberated from all that garbage. Even though Jer15 is infected in a different way, I'm simply paying it forward with whatever time and energy I can spare.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So now are you going to start crying in your soup that Gentiles stole that inheritance from Israel?

Well, I am a weeping prophet.

It is a historical fact that Israel took that Eucharist Covenant and threw it out the window.

Describe Eucharist Covenant?

Also, it is a fact that believing Gentiles have been grafted in and those Jews who did not believe have been broken off and cast out.

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

Gentiles are never called an 'Olive tree' in the bible. If anyone is closest to being called a "wild" Olive tree that would be circumcised proselytes. They have committed themselves to Israel, are a citizen of Israel, obey the Torah, and are seen as Israelis but never are called being in the Abrahamic Covenant either because as you keep ignoring to push your Gentile agenda, they are NOT Abraham's seed, or don't you know biology? Hebrews have Hebrew babies, and Gentiles have Gentile babies, but a Hebrew cannot biologically have Gentile babies.

In your passage above the Gentile that's being mentioned are proselytes.
AND Saul is talking about being in the commonwealth of Israel which means being an observant Gentile citizen obedient to the Torah, NOT being in covenant. Saul isn't even mentioned covenant, so your Constantinian Gentile false teaching on the passage about is seriously in error. You are trying to add to the bible and add Gentiles to a covenant they cannot be in biologically.
But nice try.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't see why any of you continue to communicate with Jeremiah1five. His doctrine is heresy and he won't listen to any scripture or reason that contradicts his way of seeing things. And believe me, there are plenty of scriptures that do just that.
Titus 3:10 talks about him. "Reject a factious man after a first and second warning."

I'd be willing to debate the merits of Scripture and its Jewishness in everything having to do with salvation for Salvation - and all its parts - is OF THE JEWS.
I take Scripture as written. I don't add to it nor as Gentile try to interpret Scripture so that I can claim to be in the Hebrew Covenants as I see Gentiles do here. But it's an infection called Gentile-itis. It afflicts Gentiles and symptoms include kleptomania of the Hebrew Covenants, re-interpreting the Holy Writ so that Gentiles are in the Hebrew Covenants, that Gentiles have replaced Israel in their own covenants and salvation given them by their God, and a propensity to ocular deficiency in which they read the Hebrew Scriptures of Matthew to Revelation as though God wrote to Gentiles, and that every mention of Gentiles kicks proselytes and God-Fearers out the door and substituted by uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Gentiles.
Salvation is OF THE JEWS!
Jesus said that. But He also said that because you don't believe Moses and his words of Messiah THEN YOU WILL NOT believe Jesus.
And that's bible!

 

[synergy]

1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:1–7.

The Abrahamic Covenant. A covenant in which a man and his wife were given outstanding promises for not only him and his immediate children but for their descendants also. A covenant in which a Redeemer and King would be born to remove the sins of God's covenant people and give them eternal life. And from this day forward God has been working to that end using only this covenant and no other for there is no other Name by which anyone will be saved but the Name of God: Yahweh (YHWH.) It is only through this covenant will God save His Chosen people Israel. But God has made no covenant with Gentiles. But Gentiles are not excluded for there are many prophecies through the decades sent to Israel from God's prophets that Gentiles will be included, and we later find from the writings of Paul, grafted in along with the natural branches of the Olive Tree, which is Israel, that Israel will be the light to lead the Gentiles to Jerusalem to worship God alongside them.

The Church, or Great Congregation of the LORD is Israel. The Bride of Christ is Israel for God says in the Old Testament that He is betrothed to Israel forever. But God has made no covenant with Gentiles.
When all is said and done, and Israel's Messiah and King sits on the throne of David to rule His people from Jerusalem there will be a Marriage Supper of the Lamb and His Bride. Israel is there by covenant, but Gentiles will be there by invitation.
God has made no covenant with Gentiles.
But you Gentiles have receive an invitation to partake of the blessings God has bestowed upon Abram, Isaac, and Jacob, and the twelve tribes of Israel and their descendants.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 1
2 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:11–29.

All well and good but God has made no covenant with Gentiles.

You forgot the New Covenant that Jesus established at his Last Supper. See Luke 22:19-20. Tell us how many Synagogues practice that Covenant.

19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You forgot the New Covenant that Jesus established at his Last Supper. See Luke 22:19-20. Tell us how many Synagogues practice that Covenant.

19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.

When visiting Jews from Gentile lands return home as Jewish Christian after being born-again and saved (Acts 2:41), they took back home to their families and friends and synagogues an outline of Peter's sermon referring to David (Acts 2:25), and Joel (Acts 2:16), and other of their prophets the Holy Spirit of Promise (Acts 2:33), and testimony of Jesus of Nazareth whom the people of Jerusalem spoke was their long-awaited Messiah (Acts 2:30), the Prophet like unto Moses whom Moses in the Law spoke about Deut. 18:15, 18.)

They shared Jesus on the Roman roads returning to their homes and more Jews became saved. The Holy Spirit of Promise (to Israel) was being POURED OUT upon all Hebrew flesh as per covenant and prophecies. Returning to their families, friends, and synagogues more Jews became born-again and saved. However, in time Jews could not reconcile their Messiah 'hanging on a tree' and stumbled at this stumbling stone and soon there was outright persecution against those that believed in the Way (Acts 8:1-2) and some Jews even wanted to return to their Judaism and reject their experiences with Christ but the writer of Hebrews said it was "impossible" (Heb. 6:4.) It also records a "great company of priests were obedient to the faith (Acts 6:7) and a "great company" out of seventy priests of the Sanhedrin means majority of at least 36 priests.

Saul remained an observant Jew after meeting his Messiah on the road to Damascus. He was still able to enter the Temple and the synagogues teaching about Jesus Messiah and was held up as an excellent example of a Jew practicing the Torah as Christian.

5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister. Acts 13:5.

And more Jews became born-again Christian. Thousands more.

17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Acts 21:17–20.

Saul continued to obey the Torah after he became Christian:

23 We have four men which have a vow on them;
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:23–24.

Everywhere Saul went visiting Jewish synagogues and home church fellowships (during and after the great persecution) he taught his brethren what he as Pharisee and rabbi knew from the Hebrew Scriptures Jesus and the New Covenant Israel, and the people found themselves in and thousands became saved, and the Church Christ promised to build was being built populated by Jews.

Now, you can deny these Scriptures and reject God's commandments, or you can learn more about the true Yeshua Mashiach as taught in the Bible instead of Gentile commentaries who teach Gentiles have replaced Israel and/or that the Law is "abolished" and/or that God has "cast away His people whom He foreknew" and/or that the Gentile church has unmoored itself from its true Hebrew roots - which it has done since after the destruction of the Jewish Temple.

Jesus practiced kosher. He was an a rabbi who obeyed the Law of Moses and taught His followers to do the same. Are you a Christ follower or are you like certain Jews who may talk nice about Him but walk no more with Him (John 6:66.)
God's commands are clear. Study it yourself without Constantinian Gentile influence which has unmoored their understanding from its Hebrew roots and created a new religion, one void of Christ's command to obedience of the Torah of God. You life is in your hands and time is running out for everyone. Be prepared.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev. 22:14.

The tree of life.

But only IF you DO His commandments.

 

[synergy]

When visiting Jews from Gentile lands return home as Jewish Christian after being born-again and saved (Acts 2:41), they took back home to their families and friends and synagogues an outline of Peter's sermon referring to David (Acts 2:25), and Joel (Acts 2:16), and other of their prophets the Holy Spirit of Promise (Acts 2:33), and testimony of Jesus of Nazareth whom the people of Jerusalem spoke was their long-awaited Messiah (Acts 2:30), the Prophet like unto Moses whom Moses in the Law spoke about Deut. 18:15, 18.)

They shared Jesus on the Roman roads returning to their homes and more Jews became saved. The Holy Spirit of Promise (to Israel) was being POURED OUT upon all Hebrew flesh as per covenant and prophecies. Returning to their families, friends, and synagogues more Jews became born-again and saved. However, in time Jews could not reconcile their Messiah 'hanging on a tree' and stumbled at this stumbling stone and soon there was outright persecution against those that believed in the Way (Acts 8:1-2) and some Jews even wanted to return to their Judaism and reject their experiences with Christ but the writer of Hebrews said it was "impossible" (Heb. 6:4.) It also records a "great company of priests were obedient to the faith (Acts 6:7) and a "great company" out of seventy priests of the Sanhedrin means majority of at least 36 priests.

Saul remained an observant Jew after meeting his Messiah on the road to Damascus. He was still able to enter the Temple and the synagogues teaching about Jesus Messiah and was held up as an excellent example of a Jew practicing the Torah as Christian.

5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister. Acts 13:5.

And more Jews became born-again Christian. Thousands more.

17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Acts 21:17–20.

Saul continued to obey the Torah after he became Christian:

23 We have four men which have a vow on them;
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:23–24.

Everywhere Saul went visiting Jewish synagogues and home church fellowships (during and after the great persecution) he taught his brethren what he as Pharisee and rabbi knew from the Hebrew Scriptures Jesus and the New Covenant Israel, and the people found themselves in and thousands became saved, and the Church Christ promised to build was being built populated by Jews.

Now, you can deny these Scriptures and reject God's commandments, or you can learn more about the true Yeshua Mashiach as taught in the Bible instead of Gentile commentaries who teach Gentiles have replaced Israel and/or that the Law is "abolished" and/or that God has "cast away His people whom He foreknew" and/or that the Gentile church has unmoored itself from its true Hebrew roots - which it has done since after the destruction of the Jewish Temple.

Jesus practiced kosher. He was an a rabbi who obeyed the Law of Moses and taught His followers to do the same. Are you a Christ follower or are you like certain Jews who may talk nice about Him but walk no more with Him (John 6:66.)
God's commands are clear. Study it yourself without Constantinian Gentile influence which has unmoored their understanding from its Hebrew roots and created a new religion, one void of Christ's command to obedience of the Torah of God. You life is in your hands and time is running out for everyone. Be prepared.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev. 22:14.

The tree of life.

But only IF you DO His commandments.

You can try to stigmatize the Lord's Supper as "Constantinian Gentile influence" but that will not make that Covenant go away. Your poor understanding of God's Covenants is blazingly obvious. You ran away from answering my question as to how many of your beloved Synagogues practice that Covenant.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You can try to stigmatize the Lord's Supper as "Constantinian Gentile influence" but that will not make that Covenant go away. Your poor understanding of God's Covenants is blazingly obvious. You ran away from answering my question as to how many of your beloved Synagogues practice that Covenant.

You have such a dysfunctional skill that you read into my comments things I never say.
I never said the Lord's Passover meal is Constantinian Gentile influence.
You must have many dysfunctional relationships out there.

 

[synergy]

You have such a dysfunctional skill that you read into my comments things I never say.
I never said the Lord's Passover meal is Constantinian Gentile influence.
You must have many dysfunctional relationships out there.

The topic and subject of this thread is Covenants. You stigmatize our understanding of covenants as "Constantinian Gentile influence". Your poor understanding of God's Covenants is blazingly obvious because you keep running away from answering my question as to how many of your beloved Synagogues practice the Lord's Supper Covenant.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The topic and subject of this thread is Covenants. You stigmatize our understanding of covenants as "Constantinian Gentile influence". Your poor understanding of God's Covenants is blazingly obvious because you keep running away from answering my question as to how many of your beloved Synagogues practice the Lord's Supper Covenant.

Even Gentiles say a "remnant shall be saved" which is a prophecy by Isaiah that he never said, and Saul changed a word and added to the bible (Proverbs 30:6.) This remnant is Messianic Jews that practice the Torah and are obedient to God and blessed. Jews for Jesus is one group that gather on the sabbath and worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that comes to mind. And there are thousands more. I'd say millions and millions but God has blinded Israel in order to 'bring in' Gentiles. I think you should be grateful to God He's done this and stop with your hatred for God's people, His Torah, and His Christ.

 

[Rowan]

What the Bible says about Promises to Gentiles
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Genesis 12:1-3 God remembers the Gentiles when He calls Abraham, promising that every nation, "all the families of the earth," will be blessed in the blessings of Abraham. Paul, "the apostle to the Gentiles" (Romans 11:13), carries the thought to its conclusion when he asserts that the line demarcating Jew and Gentile disappears in Christ: "[T]here is neither Jew nor Greek; . . . for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:28-29). Charles Whitaker Peter's Trumpets Message—on Pentecost Related Topics: Abraham | Abraham's Seed | Abraham, Descendants of | God's Promises | God's Promises to Abraham | Heirs with Christ | Promises of God | Promises to Abraham | Promises to Gentiles | Promises to Israel | Promises to Patriarchs

Galatians 3:16 It is evident that a specific descendent was implied: that one of Abraham's "seed" had the same promise made. The promises entailed so much more than justification by faith. If that were the main or only promise, it had already been given to multiple characters throughout the Old Testament (Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, the prophets, etc.). Even Noah, living before Abraham, "became an heir of the righteousness which is by faith" (Hebrews 11:7)—yet none of these received the promises (Hebrews 11:13)! The promises made to Abraham cannot be limited to justification because all of these "men of faith" mentioned in Hebrews 11 did receive that. The promises entail eternal life, inheritance of the earth (Matthew 5:5, not heaven), and being born into the Family of God. These promises were made to Abraham and Christ. Abraham died without receiving them (Hebrews 11:13), which means he must live again in order for the promises to be fulfilled. Christ came to earth to confirm that those promises were still in existence and to set in process a means by which true Christians could inherit them. This will be fulfilled at the first resurrection, when the firstfruits are changed into immortal beings, given a full measure of God's Spirit, and begin reigning on the earth with Christ (Revelation 5:10; 20:4-6). David C. Grabbe Related Topics: Abraham, Descendants of | Abrahamic Covenant | Firstfruits | Heirs with Christ | Inheritance | Inheritance of the Christian | Inheriting the Earth | Promises of God | Promises to Abraham | Promises to Gentiles | Promises to Israel | Promises to Patriarchs | Promises, Conditionality of | Promises, Physical | Promises, Spiritual | Promises, Unconditional | Race and Grace | Reward of the Saved

Galatians 3:16-17 Paul writes these verses to assure all that the Abrahamic Covenant, which contained the wonderful promises that Herbert Armstrong simply called "the race and grace promises," was in no way negated or cancelled out by the Old Covenant. John W. Ritenbaugh The Covenants, Grace, and Law (Part Twenty-Seven) Related Topics: Abrahamic Covenant | Heirs with Christ | Inheritance | Inheritance of the Christian | Inheriting the Earth | Promises of God | Promises to Abraham | Promises to Gentiles | Promises to Israel | Promises to Patriarchs | Promises, Conditionality of | Promises, Physical | Promises, Spiritual | Promises, Unconditional | Race and Grace | Reward of the Saved

Galatians 3:26 This statement would have been a bombshell - and high heresy - to the average Jew of Paul's time, who would have had it in his mind that the people of Israel were the only children of God. Paul here is beginning to explain that physical lineage is not relevant where God's calling is concerned, because under the New Covenant only God can give the summons (John 6:44), and if He summons a Gentile, it is just as valid as if He gave it to an Israelite. The faith of Jesus Christ is the important factor rather than heredity. This faith is also a part of what God gives (Ephesians 2:8) - again, only to those whom He chooses. But if God has given this living faith (James 2:20) to a man, that man is then a begotten - but not yet born - child of God. God is the real father, rather than Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. David C. Grabbe

 

[synergy]

Even Gentiles say a "remnant shall be saved" which is a prophecy by Isaiah that he never said, and Saul changed a word and added to the bible (Proverbs 30:6.) This remnant is Messianic Jews that practice the Torah and are obedient to God and blessed. Jews for Jesus is one group that gather on the sabbath and worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that comes to mind. And there are thousands more. I'd say millions and millions but God has blinded Israel in order to 'bring in' Gentiles. I think you should be grateful to God He's done this and stop with your hatred for God's people, His Torah, and His Christ.

The Covenant of the Lord's Supper is starting to open your eyes that it is wrong to stigmatize our practice of that Covenant as "Constantinian Gentile influence". You're slowing coming around to the truth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Covenant of the Lord's Supper is starting to open your eyes that it is wrong to stigmatize our practice of that Covenant as "Constantinian Gentile influence". You're slowing coming around to the truth.

It is sin to stigmatize God's Torah.
You are very far from the truth.

Jesus came and taught His people the Torah. Those are His commands.

Jesus said, "If you love me obey my commands/Torah."

By teaching the Torah is "abolished/obsolete" you are saying don't obey Jesus' commands and in doing so show NO LOVE for Jesus in contradicting His Holy Word with unholy teaching.
It's obvious you don't love Jesus.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What the Bible says about Promises to Gentiles
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Genesis 12:1-3 God remembers the Gentiles when He calls Abraham, promising that every nation, "all the families of the earth," will be blessed in the blessings of Abraham. Paul, "the apostle to the Gentiles" (Romans 11:13), carries the thought to its conclusion when he asserts that the line demarcating Jew and Gentile disappears in Christ: "[T]here is neither Jew nor Greek; . . . for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:28-29). Charles Whitaker Peter's Trumpets Message—on Pentecost Related Topics: Abraham | Abraham's Seed | Abraham, Descendants of | God's Promises | God's Promises to Abraham | Heirs with Christ | Promises of God | Promises to Abraham | Promises to Gentiles | Promises to Israel | Promises to Patriarchs

Galatians 3:16 It is evident that a specific descendent was implied: that one of Abraham's "seed" had the same promise made. The promises entailed so much more than justification by faith. If that were the main or only promise, it had already been given to multiple characters throughout the Old Testament (Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, the prophets, etc.). Even Noah, living before Abraham, "became an heir of the righteousness which is by faith" (Hebrews 11:7)—yet none of these received the promises (Hebrews 11:13)! The promises made to Abraham cannot be limited to justification because all of these "men of faith" mentioned in Hebrews 11 did receive that. The promises entail eternal life, inheritance of the earth (Matthew 5:5, not heaven), and being born into the Family of God. These promises were made to Abraham and Christ. Abraham died without receiving them (Hebrews 11:13), which means he must live again in order for the promises to be fulfilled. Christ came to earth to confirm that those promises were still in existence and to set in process a means by which true Christians could inherit them. This will be fulfilled at the first resurrection, when the firstfruits are changed into immortal beings, given a full measure of God's Spirit, and begin reigning on the earth with Christ (Revelation 5:10; 20:4-6). David C. Grabbe Related Topics: Abraham, Descendants of | Abrahamic Covenant | Firstfruits | Heirs with Christ | Inheritance | Inheritance of the Christian | Inheriting the Earth | Promises of God | Promises to Abraham | Promises to Gentiles | Promises to Israel | Promises to Patriarchs | Promises, Conditionality of | Promises, Physical | Promises, Spiritual | Promises, Unconditional | Race and Grace | Reward of the Saved

Galatians 3:16-17 Paul writes these verses to assure all that the Abrahamic Covenant, which contained the wonderful promises that Herbert Armstrong simply called "the race and grace promises," was in no way negated or cancelled out by the Old Covenant. John W. Ritenbaugh The Covenants, Grace, and Law (Part Twenty-Seven) Related Topics: Abrahamic Covenant | Heirs with Christ | Inheritance | Inheritance of the Christian | Inheriting the Earth | Promises of God | Promises to Abraham | Promises to Gentiles | Promises to Israel | Promises to Patriarchs | Promises, Conditionality of | Promises, Physical | Promises, Spiritual | Promises, Unconditional | Race and Grace | Reward of the Saved

Galatians 3:26 This statement would have been a bombshell - and high heresy - to the average Jew of Paul's time, who would have had it in his mind that the people of Israel were the only children of God. Paul here is beginning to explain that physical lineage is not relevant where God's calling is concerned, because under the New Covenant only God can give the summons (John 6:44), and if He summons a Gentile, it is just as valid as if He gave it to an Israelite. The faith of Jesus Christ is the important factor rather than heredity. This faith is also a part of what God gives (Ephesians 2:8) - again, only to those whom He chooses. But if God has given this living faith (James 2:20) to a man, that man is then a begotten - but not yet born - child of God. God is the real father, rather than Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. David C. Grabbe

You and your buddies are in great error and sin.

The "nations" and "kings" that "come out of thee (Abraham)" are the descendants of Ishmael and Esau.

Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham nor are they his seed. Any seed of Abraham would be Hebrew.

 

[synergy]

It is sin to stigmatize God's Torah.
You are very far from the truth.

Jesus came and taught His people the Torah. Those are His commands.

Jesus said, "If you love me obey my commands/Torah."

By teaching the Torah is "abolished/obsolete" you are saying don't obey Jesus' commands and in doing so show NO LOVE for Jesus in contradicting His Holy Word with unholy teaching.
It's obvious you don't love Jesus.

I never taught that "the Torah is abolished/obsolete". Stop misrepresenting people. Is that at all possible for you?

The Bible says that the Law was fulfilled by Christ. That is what I believe.

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Now as for you, you continue to stigmatize our practice of that Covenant as "Constantinian Gentile influence". Stop hungering for your euphoric ethnic cleansing vision.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I never taught that "the Torah is abolished/obsolete". Stop misrepresenting people. Is that at all possible for you?

So, tell me, how is God's Torah to be obeyed today as Christian?

The Bible says that the Law was fulfilled by Christ. That is what I believe.

Does that mean God's Torah is to be obeyed or disobeyed?

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Now as for you, you continue to stigmatize our practice of that Covenant as "Constantinian Gentile influence". Stop hungering for your euphoric ethnic cleansing vision.

 

[koberstein]

So, tell me, how is God's Torah to be obeyed today as Christian?

Does that mean God's Torah is to be obeyed or disobeyed?

Baruch Hashem Adonai

 

[synergy]

So, tell me, how is God's Torah to be obeyed today as Christian?

Does that mean God's Torah is to be obeyed or disobeyed?

Let's first recognize the true Torah.

• The Greek OT (LXX) was a gift by Hebrew-speaking Jews to the Hellenized Greek-Speaking Jews and by extension to the entire Gentile world,
• The preeminent legitimacy of the Greek OT (LXX) was made manifest when the Apostles predominately quoted the LXX instead of any Hebrew-based OT,
• The Greek-speaking Diaspora Jews were elected by God to be dispersed amongst the Roman Empire so that they can spread the Gospel across the Roman Empire (with their Greek OT in hand) upon their conversion,
• Greek, the Lingua Franca of the Eastern Roman Empire, was the language unanimously chosen over Hebrew by all Apostles for their Epistles, so that all people, not just Jews, would hear the Gospel and be converted,

The Masoretic text is well known for its manipulations. The most famous example of Masoretic manipulation is Isa 7:14 where the LXX says a virgin shall conceive whereas the MT says a young woman shall conceive.

Septuagint (LXX):
διὰ τοῦτο δώσει Κύριος αὐτὸς ὑμῖν σημεῖον· ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει, καὶ τέξεται υἱόν, καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ᾿Εμμανουήλ

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Emmanuel.

Masoretic Text:
לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם--אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל.

Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

It is in fact a stunning disaster that Jerome created the Vulgate from the Masoretic Text instead of the Septuagint LXX text. Many English translations did the same thing. This is one of Christianity's greatest disasters to ever inflict us. That's why many quotes of the OT (in the NT) do not line up with the OT that were based on the Masoretic text.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Let's first recognize the true Torah.

• The Greek OT (LXX) was a gift by Hebrew-speaking Jews to the Hellenized Greek-Speaking Jews and by extension to the entire Gentile world,
• The preeminent legitimacy of the Greek OT (LXX) was made manifest when the Apostles predominately quoted the LXX instead of any Hebrew-based OT,
• The Greek-speaking Diaspora Jews were elected by God to be dispersed amongst the Roman Empire so that they can spread the Gospel across the Roman Empire (with their Greek OT in hand) upon their conversion,
• Greek, the Lingua Franca of the Eastern Roman Empire, was the language unanimously chosen over Hebrew by all Apostles for their Epistles, so that all people, not just Jews, would hear the Gospel and be converted,

The Masoretic text is well known for its manipulations. The most famous example of Masoretic manipulation is Isa 7:14 where the LXX says a virgin shall conceive whereas the MT says a young woman shall conceive.

Septuagint (LXX):
διὰ τοῦτο δώσει Κύριος αὐτὸς ὑμῖν σημεῖον· ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει, καὶ τέξεται υἱόν, καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ᾿Εμμανουήλ

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Emmanuel.

Masoretic Text:
לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם--אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל.

Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

It is in fact a stunning disaster that Jerome created the Vulgate from the Masoretic Text instead of the Septuagint LXX text. Many English translations did the same thing. This is one of Christianity's greatest disasters to ever inflict us. That's why many quotes of the OT (in the NT) do not line up with the OT that were based on the Masoretic text.

That's great.

Now tell me, how is God's Torah to be obeyed today as Christian?

Is God's Torah to be obeyed or disobeyed?

 

[koberstein]

That's great.

Now tell me, how is God's Torah to be obeyed today as Christian?

Is God's Torah to be obeyed or disobeyed?

The Torah is basically Adonai's instructions for living.