Fundamentals of the Christian faith

[101G]

So to you, the Son of God is NOT the Son of Man?

first thanks for the reply. second, did you not read my previous posts? not what 101G may think or say, no, but what the bible states clearly. once again, the Son of God is Flesh bone and blood, (the Body of God on earth). and the Son of Man is spirit, that dwells in that flesh bone and blood, that body. understand now?

Why Yes
Yes he is!

thanks, just as the bible states, one person, not three. and this one person who is one Spirit. supportive scripture beside the two given, LISTEN CAREFULLY. 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

and to make sure that there is only one Spirit, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, the SAME ONE PERSON.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

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It's very easy to show how Jesus is one of Adam's biological descendants.

● Luke 1:32 . .The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

No man can be considered for David's place except they first and foremost be
Judah's paternal offspring.

● Gen 49:10 . The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from
between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs.

The man considered must also be David's paternal offspring.

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it:
"Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"

The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfied the paternal requirement.

● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch
David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,
that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on
his throne.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" is a mite ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual
progeny as well as biological progeny; but in David's case; seed refers to biological
progeny because Jesus was 1) the fruit of David's body and 2) of David's loins
according to the flesh.

There's really no need to trace David's paternal descent from Adam because that's
everyone's biological origin.

● Gen 3:20 . . Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of
all the living.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man the unknown God made every nation of men.

NOTE: The Greek word translated "nation" is interesting. It doesn't necessarily
pertain to specific countries like the USA, Canada, India, and/or South America, et
al. It mostly pertains to people's ethnic identity: defined by Webster's as of, or
relating to, large groups of people classed according to common racial, national,
tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background. For example Pygmy,
Inuit, Native American, Pacific Island, Asian, Semitic, Aboriginal, etc.
_

The word used in Acts 17:26, and 163 other locations throughout the new testament is
Ethnos

 

[101G]

It's very easy to show how Jesus is one of Adam's biological descendants.

ERROR

● Luke 1:32 . .The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

here is why this is a ERROR on your Part. listen and Learn. Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne." I here is the LORD..... (smile).

is the LORD with descent?

Psalms 132:11 shows the Lord Jesus is God almighty just as brother @civic stated in the OP.

101G.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

first thanks for the reply.

you're welcome.

second, did you not read my previous posts?

why would I?

not what 101G may think or say, no, but what the bible states clearly.

yep.

once again, the Son of God is Flesh bone and blood, (the Body of God on earth). and the Son of Man is spirit, that dwells in that flesh bone and blood, that body. understand now?

What wasn't i previously understanding?

thanks, just as the bible states, one person, not three.

Jesus has always been one person.
exactly like the Father is one person, and the Holy Spirit is one person.
thus, YHVH is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
exactly as described in the Bible.

not what 101G may think or say, no, but what the bible states clearly.

and this one person who is one Spirit. supportive scripture beside the two given, LISTEN CAREFULLY.

I've been listening very closely for the past 46+ years now.

1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

Yep.

and to make sure that there is only one Spirit, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, the SAME ONE PERSON.

101G.

Ok.
You still sound like you're tripping over yourself.

 

[101G]

What wasn't i previously understanding?

so you didn't READ MY POST, we suggest you do..... (smile).

Jesus has always been one person.
exactly like the Father is one person, and the Holy Spirit is one person.
thus, YHVH is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
exactly as described in the Bible.

not what 101G may think or say, no, but what the bible states clearly.

(smile)..... Jesus is the One Person who is God, the Holy Spirit, who hold the titles, the First/Father, and the Last/Son.

I've been listening very closely for the past 46+ years now.

1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
YOU SAID, Yep.

if yep, then why you don't understand, "this one person who is one Spirit?"

Ok.
You still sound like you're tripping over yourself.

Sound? ..... KNOW.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

so you didn't READ MY POST, we suggest you do..... (smile).

Who is we?
Here's the problem I have with people who use we when referring to themselves,
In my observations and experiences, such people are demon possessed.
So, please keep that in mind

(smile)..... Jesus is the One Person who is God, the Holy Spirit, who hold the titles, the First/Father, and the Last/Son.

So, you're a unitarian?

1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
YOU SAID, Yep.

Yep.

if yep, then why you don't understand, "this one person who is one Spirit?"

As I said before...
I'm not having a problem.
YHVH is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
the Father is not the Son. Neither is the Father the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father. Neither is the Son the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father. Neither is the Holy Spirit the Son.

YHVH is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Sound? ..... KNOW.

Ok, so you are tripping over yourself.

101G.

 

[101G]

Who is we?
Here's the problem I have with people who use we when referring to themselves,
In my observations and experiences, such people are demon possessed.
So, please keep that in mind

so you cannot discern the Holy Spirit dwelling inside a person from the devil?

So, you're a unitarian?

again, no.

1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
YOU SAID, Yep.

again you said Yep. BUT YOU STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

As I said before...
I'm not having a problem.
YHVH is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

(smile), you still don't understand. the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the Lord Jesus. scripture, let the bible reprove you. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

the Lord Jesus is the "advocate" right........ right. for the Greek term is
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

who is our "Intercessor?"..... see Romans 8:26.

and who is our "Comforter?" you should know... I hope.

well the Lord Jesus is that Intercessor, and Comforter..... this is Just too easy.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

so you cannot discern the Holy Spirit dwelling inside a person from the devil?

You'd be the first person to do this in my 46+ years.

again, no.

Good.

again you said Yep. BUT YOU STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

Well, I understand just fine.
You, however, are apparently having a problem in describing it.
Perhaps you should slow down and work more effectively at communicating your ideas.

(smile), you still don't understand.

actually, I'm thinking that you have a problem describing the ideas you're trying to claim.
i understand what you're saying just fine.

the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the Lord Jesus.

nope. this is definitely not biblical.
whatever you claim to be, you are not a follower of the biblical Jesus.

scripture, let the bible reprove you. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

Yep.

the Lord Jesus is the "advocate" right........ right. for the Greek term is
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

who is our "Intercessor?"..... see Romans 8:26.

and who is our "Comforter?" you should know... I hope.

well the Lord Jesus is that Intercessor, and Comforter..... this is Just too easy.

101G.

Actually, we have two intercessors.


Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

If you really want to believe that I'm not understanding, then that's your prerogative.
I'm saying that I understand what you're saying just fine, and what I'm reading in your posts is unbiblical.
So, if this is a problem, then you should consider that your descriptive skills aren't as good as you think they are.

not what 101G may think or say, no, but what the bible states clearly.

So, focus on what the Bible actually says.
So far, what I'm reading is that you are building your unbiblical ideas on a handful of passages, but have apparently not read the entire Bible enough to actually succeed in learning who YHVH is.

It's like you're cherry picking your ideas to concoct a false Jesus.

 

[SteveB]

So, one poster messaged me to say they were not interested in my "running gun battle" with 101G.
I'm trying to extricate myself from going any further here with his topic.
I think he hijacked the administrator's op, which is uncool.
So, 101G,
If you really want to discuss this further (which I don't), have some respect for the owner of this forum and start another op.

 

[101G]

You'd be the first person to do this in my 46+ years.

Oh, 1 John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:2 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:" 1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

now what have 101G been saying? ...... "the flesh and bone blood body is not Deity, but Jesus is. have 101G not been saying this? listen again, the Son of God, (flesh bone and blood, which was BORN), is not deity), but the Spirit that came in that body is, ...... the son of Man.

so you cannot discern the TRUTH THEN.....

Well, I understand just fine.
You, however, are apparently having a problem in describing it.
Perhaps you should slow down and work more effectively at communicating your ideas.

see the statement just here above.....

actually, I'm thinking that you have a problem describing the ideas you're trying to claim.
i understand what you're saying just fine.

apparently not. again see my first statement in this post.



101G said:
the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the Lord Jesus.
YOU SAID! nope. this is definitely not biblical.
whatever you claim to be, you are not a follower of the biblical Jesus.

THEN YOU RESPONDED, to what 101G said,
101G said:
scripture, let the bible reprove you. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
YOU SAID, Yep.

101G said:
the Lord Jesus is the "advocate" right........ right. for the Greek term is
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

who is our "Intercessor?"..... see Romans 8:26.

and who is our "Comforter?" you should know... I hope.

well the Lord Jesus is that Intercessor, and Comforter..... this is Just too easy.

101G.

THEN YOU SAID THIS,

Actually, we have two intercessors.


Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

If you really want to believe that I'm not understanding, then that's your prerogative.
I'm saying that I understand what you're saying just fine, and what I'm reading in your posts is unbiblical.
So, if this is a problem, then you should consider that your descriptive skills aren't as good as you think they are.

ERROR, there is ONLY "ONE" INTERCESSOR THAT IS GOD. and here is your BIG MISTAKE. Listen carefully, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

the term ANOTHER here is the Greek word,
G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los) adj.
Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort; ....... (smile), did you understand what that definition is saying? and by the WAY 101G is using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. and please note the difference of G243 Allos, and G2087 heteros, both means "ANOTHER", but G2087 heteros, it expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another" of a different sort. THIS IS WHY CHRISTIANS NEED TO PICK UP A BIBLE DICTIONARY AND LEARN WORD DEFINITIONS.

now to reveal the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE in the Godhead. it's not another separate person.... NO, but the same one Person shared in the ECHAD as First and Last...... Oh this is Just too easy not to understand.

now to see this NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, but of the SAME, sort? scripture, Luke 2:25 and find out what " consolation" means.... (smile). you will find the first Comforter ..... in flesh and blood. then the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, but the same sort? John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" THIS IS JUST TOO EASY NOT TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

now make the connection between the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE/the consolation of Israe and the Comforter to come afterward. ......... in Spirit, ,,,, (smile), just 2 easy,

101G.

 

[101G]

To all
in order to reply or respond to a scripture of Chapter or verses, one need to understand what they are responding to. example, the one who set on the throne of David. the Lord Jesus, who is the Christ? let's see. Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:" is not the Lord God JESUS, the God of the OT. or is it the LORD who is Jesus, as said,. Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne."

so who is the Lord God? the son or the Father, or is he the same one person? 101G say the same one person.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

To all
in order to reply or respond to a scripture of Chapter or verses, one need to understand what they are responding to.

seems rather curious that you are claiming that you and you alone are the only one who understands what the scripture states.

example, the one who set on the throne of David. the Lord Jesus, who is the Christ? let's see. Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:" is not the Lord God JESUS, the God of the OT. or is it the LORD who is Jesus, as said,. Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne."

so who is the Lord God? the son or the Father, or is he the same one person? 101G say the same one person.

101G.

Same person.....
Definitely not a biblical view.
From what I'm finding on Google, it's a non-trinitarian cult inside pentecostalism.

What Is Pentecostal Oneness?

Pentecostal Oneness, also known as the Jesus Only movement, is a particular charismatic Christian movement that combines some sound doctrines with ideas that are close to right but create problems. Here's what you should know about Pentecostal Oneness.

www.christianity.com

Jesus Only Churches

Equipping biblical scholars since 1931.

zondervanacademic.com

Jesus Only | Definition, Pentecostalism, History, Baptism, Trinity, & Facts | Britannica

Jesus Only is a movement of believers within Pentecostalism who hold that true baptism can only be “in the name of Jesus” rather than in the name of all three persons of the Trinity. A number of Christian churches deny the validity of baptisms done without the traditional Trinitarian invocation.

www.britannica.com

Paul warns us about those who would present another Jesus, whom he did not present.
2Co 11:3-4 KJV 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Biblical Christianity is trinitarian.

Father
Son
Holy Spirit.

The curious thing is.... even Jesus said to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:18-20.

 

[101G]

seems rather curious that you are claiming that you and you alone are the only one who understands what the scripture states.

first, thanks for the reply. second did 101G say that ...... or was this your opinion?

Same person.....
Definitely not a biblical view.
From what I'm finding on Google, it's a non-trinitarian cult inside pentecostalism.

Google all you want fine,,,, but 101G suggest you have the Holy Spirit reveal the scriptures to you. understand Psalms 132:11 is the same one God who is the same one Person in the ECHAD of God, as Ordinal FIRST, and Ordinal LAST. with the titles Father/LORD, and Son/Lord. this is the TRUTH you have not been taught. 101G has not added nor taken away from the Word of God. only the Holy Spirit can teach us TRUTH as to what is REVEALED in the scriptures...... in PROPER CONTEXT. if you believe 101G is in ERROR of Psalms 132:11, please point it out by scripture. for the scriptures do not LIE, meaning God who inspired the prophets to write "HIS" words down in text, DO NOT LIE. so, if 101G lied by using God own word then make the point by scripture.

Now, what Google say, is not 101G concern nor what any scholar say, 101G is only interested in what God SAID.

Paul warns us about those who would present another Jesus, whom he did not present.

(smile), 101G is presenting only "ONE" JESUS. who in TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK is the ECHAD of himself in Flesh that was to come..... whom he JESUS made in his own IMAGE. man this is too easy.

2Co 11:3-4 KJV 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Biblical Christianity is trinitarian.

well if 101G as said, "have beguiled", anyone please point it out by scripture,,, for 2 Timothy 3:16 clearly states, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
well........ the ball is in your court.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

first, thanks for the reply. second did 101G say that ...... or was this your opinion?

Google all you want fine,,,, but 101G suggest you have the Holy Spirit reveal the scriptures to you. understand Psalms 132:11 is the same one God who is the same one Person in the ECHAD of God, as Ordinal FIRST, and Ordinal LAST. with the titles Father/LORD, and Son/Lord. this is the TRUTH you have not been taught.

Oh but i have been taught that there are people who are convinced that Jesus, Father, and Holy Spirit are the same person.
So, you're wrong.
I was taught quite detailed, from 1979.

it's curious that in your world view, when Jesus died, so did the Father, and the Holy Spirit.
It's curious that when Jesus was hanging on the cross, and praying, he was praying to himself.
It's curious that when Jesus was dead, preaching to the spirits in prison, he raised himself from the dead.
Nobody else was around. Just the one person... Jesus.

101G has not added nor taken away from the Word of God.

I never said anything about you changing scripture.
Whoever the teacher was that taught your teacher's teachers are who changed the scripture.
And you bought it hook, line and sinker.

only the Holy Spirit can teach us TRUTH as to what is REVEALED in the scriptures...... in PROPER CONTEXT.

Exactly.
Which is curious, because Moses, the prophets, Jesus, Peter, Paul, John, Matthew, etc.... all warned us about false teachers, and false prophets who'd bring false doctrine and delude the innocent and naive.
It's exactly why YHVH warned us in Hosea 4:6 that his people would be destroyed by the lack of knowledge.

if you believe 101G is in ERROR of Psalms 132:11, please point it out by scripture.

Psa 132:11 WEB Yahweh has sworn to David in truth. He will not turn from it: “I will set the fruit of your body on your throne.

yeah. This passage isn't the problem. There are 31,102 Bible verses in the Bible.
it's written in Psalm 40, and in Hebrews 10,

Psa 40:7 WEB Then I said, “Behold, I have come. It is written about me in the book in the scroll.

Heb 10:7 WEB Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (in the scroll of the book it is written of me) to do your will, O God.’”

Jesus further alludes to this in John 5,

Joh 5:39 WEB “You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about me.
so, the problem I'm seeing is that your views... You're not focusing on the entire Bible. You have bought into a denomination who bought a lie.
Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. Nor are the Father, nor the Holy Spirit, Jesus.
evidence is manifold, so one passage to give credence to the individuals of the Triune YHVH.

Mar 3:28-29 WEB 28 “Most certainly I tell you, all sins of the descendants of man will be forgiven, including their blasphemies with which they may blaspheme; 29 but whoever may blaspheme against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation.”


if the Father is Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is Jesus, why would Jesus make so profound a statement?

for the scriptures do not LIE,

never said they did.
you however have been lied to.

meaning God who inspired the prophets to write "HIS" words down in text, DO NOT LIE.

Correct.

so, if 101G lied by using God own word then make the point by scripture.

At this point, I'm pretty confident that you actually believe that your pastors and teachers have told you the truth.
Jesus is not the Father, nor is he the Holy Spirit.

Now, what Google say, is not 101G concern nor what any scholar say, 101G is only interested in what God SAID.

You're clearly not thinking clearly.
Acts 17:11, and1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 instructs us to verify such matters.
The links I provided are biblical websites, which reference scripture to collaborate their claims.

(smile), 101G is presenting only "ONE" JESUS.

i understand that. There is only One Jesus.
This isn't the problem.
Your claim is that Jesus is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as a single Person.
Your claim is that the Son IS the Father, the Son IS the Holy Spirit.

who in TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK is the ECHAD of himself in Flesh that was to come..... whom he JESUS made in his own IMAGE. man this is too easy.

Do you know what ECHAD is?
Do you know the difference between ECHAD and YACHID?

well if 101G as said, "have beguiled", anyone please point it out by scripture,,, for 2 Timothy 3:16 clearly states, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
well........ the ball is in your court.

I have.

 

[101G]

it's curious that in your world view, when Jesus died, so did the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

First thanks for the Reply. second your Ignorance shows. do U at all understand A. the Echad of God. and B. do you understand the First Death? let's start with the Last one first. what died on the cross? the "spirit?", or the body of flesh, blood and bone? the body, for the LIFE of the flesh is in the blood. as said, the son of God .... flesh, bone and Blood, (which is the First death). now, did the spirit die? no, thank you. now the Echad. this is the EQUAL share of the Spirit in flesh. again, did the Spirit die? please understand the difference between the First death,,,, Natural life vs the second death.

now since you asked, " when Jesus died, so did the Father, and the Holy Spirit." are you kidding? no. see above answer. now, let 101G ask you a question on the same subject. "Since you believe in three separate, and distinct person in the Godhead". when the Son was made empty, according to Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
no reputation: G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

now 101G question. "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). was it 1/3 of the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo, for the Son? or was all of the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo?" but before you answer, be aware of Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

form here is NATURE, and God is a Spirit, per John 4:24a. now your answer, how much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo?

101G.

 

[SteveB]

First thanks for the Reply. second your Ignorance shows.

to someone who is convinced that YHVH is only Jesus, I'm not the least bit surprised that you believe I'm ignorant.
it's the only way you can be right.

do U at all understand A. the Echad of God.

Sh'ma Yisrael
YHVH eluhenu
YHVH echad

Looks pretty straightforward. It's Deuteronomy 6:4.
And since you ignored my question about the difference between Echad and Yachid, I'll take it that you don't actually know the difference between them.
So, here's an article for you from a church out of Canada.

Trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad

and B. do you understand the First Death?

wow, talking about a hard-core topical change. Is this how they teach you to deal with challenges to your beliefs?
i think so.
First Adam and Eve died, as written in Genesis 2:17, 3:7, 5:5, which was then passed down through the entire human race.
As Paul described in Romans 3:23, and 6:23.

let's start with the Last one first. what died on the cross? the "spirit?", or the body of flesh, blood and bone? the body, for the LIFE of the flesh is in the blood. as said, the son of God .... flesh, bone and Blood, (which is the First death). now, did the spirit die? no, thank you. now the Echad. this is the EQUAL share of the Spirit in flesh. again, did the Spirit die? please understand the difference between the First death,,,, Natural life vs the second death.

now since you asked, " when Jesus died, so did the Father, and the Holy Spirit." are you kidding? no. see above answer. now, let 101G ask you a question on the same subject. "Since you believe in three separate, and distinct person in the Godhead". when the Son was made empty, according to Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
no reputation: G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

now 101G question. "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). was it 1/3 of the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo, for the Son? or was all of the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo?" but before you answer, be aware of Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

form here is NATURE, and God is a Spirit, per John 4:24a. now your answer, how much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo?

101G.

Yeah, sounds like you're still tripping over yourself.

 

[101G]

to someone who is convinced that YHVH is only Jesus, I'm not the least bit surprised that you believe I'm ignorant.
it's the only way you can be right.

Yes, there is only "ONE" God who is only "ONE" person diversified in TIME, PLACE, ORDER AND RANK.

Sh'ma Yisrael
YHVH eluhenu
YHVH echad

Looks pretty straightforward. It's Deuteronomy 6:4.
And since you ignored my question about the difference between Echad and Yachid, I'll take it that you don't actually know the difference between them.
So, here's an article for you from a church out of Canada.

Trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" the Hebrew term for "one" is
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

I'm using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments for the definition. and please note definition #2. that is the TRUE answer to the ECHAD of God as ONE PERSON.

and two, there is no such thing as a trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad

now for your education, Yachid is a single ONE in Numbers. and the ECHAD is a Single ONE IN Ordinal Numbers Designation in Diversity, in TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK

so do you know the difference between Ordinal Numbers and Cardinal Numbers....... (smile).

now to prove 101G point of VIEW. as said, God is a ECHAD of himself in diversity of Ordinal Designations of FIRST and LAST.

wow, talking about a hard-core topical change. Is this how they teach you to deal with challenges to your beliefs?
i think so.
First Adam and Eve died, as written in Genesis 2:17, 3:7, 5:5, which was then passed down through the entire human race.
As Paul described in Romans 3:23, and 6:23.

so you don't know.

Yeah, sounds like you're still tripping over yourself.

so you cannot answer? thought so. I answered your question on ECHAD and Yachid.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

Yes, there is only "ONE" God who is only "ONE" person diversified in TIME, PLACE, ORDER AND RANK.


Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" the Hebrew term for "one" is
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

I'm using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments for the definition. and please note definition #2. that is the TRUE answer to the ECHAD of God as ONE PERSON.

and two, there is no such thing as a trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad

now for your education, Yachid is a single ONE in Numbers. and the ECHAD is a Single ONE IN Ordinal Numbers Designation in Diversity, in TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK

so do you know the difference between Ordinal Numbers and Cardinal Numbers....... (smile).

now to prove 101G point of VIEW. as said, God is a ECHAD of himself in diversity of Ordinal Designations of FIRST and LAST.

so you don't know.

so you cannot answer? thought so. I answered your question on ECHAD and Yachid.

101G.

Rather curious thing about the word echad.
Did you look at where it's being used?
I see you didn't reference them.

Total KJV Occurrences: 942

Gen 2:24 WEB Therefore a man will leave his father and his mother, and will join with his wife, and they will be one flesh.


Gen 2:24 OHB עַל־ ʿal ʕal- upon For כֵּן֙ kēn kˌēn thus this reason יַֽעֲזָב־ yaʿăzob yˈaʕᵃzov- [he]+ leave will leave אִ֔ישׁ ʾîš ʔˈîš man a man אֶת־ ʾet ʔeṯ- [object marker] אָבִ֖יו ʾābīyw ʔāvˌiʸw +[his] father his father וְ wĕ wᵊ and אֶת־ ʾet ʔeṯ- [object marker] and אִמֹּ֑ו ʾimô ʔimmˈô +[his] mother his mother וְ wĕ wᵊ and דָבַ֣ק dābaq ḏāvˈaq [he]+ cling, cleave to be united בְּ bĕ bᵊ in אִשְׁתֹּ֔ו ʾištô ʔištˈô +[his] woman to his wife, וְ wĕ wᵊ and הָי֖וּ hāyû hāyˌû [they]+ be and לְ lĕ lᵊ to בָשָׂ֥ר bāśār vāśˌār flesh flesh. אֶחָֽד׃ ʾeḥād ʔeḥˈāḏ one and they will become one


Gen 11:1 WEB The whole earth was of one language and of one speech.

Gen 11:1 OHB וַֽ wa wˈa and יְהִ֥י yĕhî yᵊhˌî [he]+ be had כָל־ kol ḵol- whole Now the whole הָ hā hā the אָ֖רֶץ ʾāreṣ ʔˌāreṣ earth world שָׂפָ֣ה śāpā śāfˈā lip language אֶחָ֑ת ʾeḥāt ʔeḥˈāṯ one one וּ û û and דְבָרִ֖ים dĕbārîm ḏᵊvārˌîm word form of speech. אֲחָדִֽים׃ ʾăḥādîm ʔᵃḥāḏˈîm one and a common

Gen 11:6 WEB Yahweh said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do. Now nothing will be withheld from them, which they intend to do.

Gen 11:6 OHB וַ wa wa and יֹּ֣אמֶר yōmer yyˈōmer [he]+ say said, יְהוָ֗ה [yĕhwāh] [yᵊhwˈāh] YHWH And the LORD הֵ֣ן hēn hˈēn behold “If עַ֤ם ʿam ʕˈam people people אֶחָד֙ ʾeḥād ʔeḥˌāḏ one as one וְ wĕ wᵊ and שָׂפָ֤ה śāpā śāfˈā lip language, אַחַת֙ ʾaḥat ʔaḥˌaṯ one לְ lĕ lᵊ to כֻלָּ֔ם kulām ḵullˈām +[their] whole speaking the same וְ wĕ wᵊ and זֶ֖ה zeh zˌeh this this הַחִלָּ֣ם haḥilām haḥillˈām defile +[them] they have begun לַ la la to to עֲשֹׂ֑ות ʿăśôt ʕᵃśˈôṯ make do וְ wĕ wᵊ and עַתָּה֙ ʿatā ʕattˌā now then לֹֽא־ lō lˈō- not nothing יִבָּצֵ֣ר yibāṣēr yibbāṣˈēr [he]+ be impossible will be beyond מֵהֶ֔ם mēhem mēhˈem from +[them] them. כֹּ֛ל kōl kˈōl whole אֲשֶׁ֥ר ʾăšer ʔᵃšˌer [relative] יָזְמ֖וּ yāzĕmû yāzᵊmˌû [they]+ ponder they devise לַֽ la lˈa to עֲשֹֽׂות׃ ʿăśôt ʕᵃśˈôṯ make

The first few instances of the word are of the man and woman being one flesh and the people of the world being one to achieve a single purpose.

So, YHVH being Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as 3 persons, one God, especially with what Jesus says about Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[101G]

Rather curious thing about the word echad.
Did you look at where it's being used?
I see you didn't reference them.

Total KJV Occurrences: 942

Gen 2:24 WEB Therefore a man will leave his father and his mother, and will join with his wife, and they will be one flesh.


Gen 2:24 OHB עַל־ ʿal ʕal- upon For כֵּן֙ kēn kˌēn thus this reason יַֽעֲזָב־ yaʿăzob yˈaʕᵃzov- [he]+ leave will leave אִ֔ישׁ ʾîš ʔˈîš man a man אֶת־ ʾet ʔeṯ- [object marker] אָבִ֖יו ʾābīyw ʔāvˌiʸw +[his] father his father וְ wĕ wᵊ and אֶת־ ʾet ʔeṯ- [object marker] and אִמֹּ֑ו ʾimô ʔimmˈô +[his] mother his mother וְ wĕ wᵊ and דָבַ֣ק dābaq ḏāvˈaq [he]+ cling, cleave to be united בְּ bĕ bᵊ in אִשְׁתֹּ֔ו ʾištô ʔištˈô +[his] woman to his wife, וְ wĕ wᵊ and הָי֖וּ hāyû hāyˌû [they]+ be and לְ lĕ lᵊ to בָשָׂ֥ר bāśār vāśˌār flesh flesh. אֶחָֽד׃ ʾeḥād ʔeḥˈāḏ one and they will become one


Gen 11:1 WEB The whole earth was of one language and of one speech.

Gen 11:1 OHB וַֽ wa wˈa and יְהִ֥י yĕhî yᵊhˌî [he]+ be had כָל־ kol ḵol- whole Now the whole הָ hā hā the אָ֖רֶץ ʾāreṣ ʔˌāreṣ earth world שָׂפָ֣ה śāpā śāfˈā lip language אֶחָ֑ת ʾeḥāt ʔeḥˈāṯ one one וּ û û and דְבָרִ֖ים dĕbārîm ḏᵊvārˌîm word form of speech. אֲחָדִֽים׃ ʾăḥādîm ʔᵃḥāḏˈîm one and a common

Gen 11:6 WEB Yahweh said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do. Now nothing will be withheld from them, which they intend to do.

Gen 11:6 OHB וַ wa wa and יֹּ֣אמֶר yōmer yyˈōmer [he]+ say said, יְהוָ֗ה [yĕhwāh] [yᵊhwˈāh] YHWH And the LORD הֵ֣ן hēn hˈēn behold “If עַ֤ם ʿam ʕˈam people people אֶחָד֙ ʾeḥād ʔeḥˌāḏ one as one וְ wĕ wᵊ and שָׂפָ֤ה śāpā śāfˈā lip language, אַחַת֙ ʾaḥat ʔaḥˌaṯ one לְ lĕ lᵊ to כֻלָּ֔ם kulām ḵullˈām +[their] whole speaking the same וְ wĕ wᵊ and זֶ֖ה zeh zˌeh this this הַחִלָּ֣ם haḥilām haḥillˈām defile +[them] they have begun לַ la la to to עֲשֹׂ֑ות ʿăśôt ʕᵃśˈôṯ make do וְ wĕ wᵊ and עַתָּה֙ ʿatā ʕattˌā now then לֹֽא־ lō lˈō- not nothing יִבָּצֵ֣ר yibāṣēr yibbāṣˈēr [he]+ be impossible will be beyond מֵהֶ֔ם mēhem mēhˈem from +[them] them. כֹּ֛ל kōl kˈōl whole אֲשֶׁ֥ר ʾăšer ʔᵃšˌer [relative] יָזְמ֖וּ yāzĕmû yāzᵊmˌû [they]+ ponder they devise לַֽ la lˈa to עֲשֹֽׂות׃ ʿăśôt ʕᵃśˈôṯ make

The first few instances of the word are of the man and woman being one flesh and the people of the world being one to achieve a single purpose.

So, YHVH being Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as 3 persons, one God, especially with what Jesus says about Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

let the Holy Spirit led us. the definition 101G gave before corresponding to Genesis 1:1 listen and Learn. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
the LORD is ONE, WHERE, WHEN, WHAT, WHO, and WHY. lets see it from Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." this term "beginning" identify God as the "ONE", or ECHAD, Where, When, What, and WHO.

beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.

1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.

2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

note: definition #1. the Echad of God is in Ordinal designations of First, and Last.

this is why the Lord Jesus said God ... "HE" the LORD, ONE PERSON, in the beginning, made man male and Female, see Matthews 19:4, and Mark 10:6.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

let the Holy Spirit led us. the definition 101G gave before corresponding to Genesis 1:1 listen and Learn. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
the LORD is ONE, WHERE, WHEN, WHAT, WHO, and WHY. lets see it from Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." this term "beginning" identify God as the "ONE", or ECHAD, Where, When, What, and WHO.

beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.

1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.

2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

note: definition #1. the Echad of God is in Ordinal designations of First, and Last.

this is why the Lord Jesus said God ... "HE" the LORD, ONE PERSON, in the beginning, made man male and Female, see Matthews 19:4, and Mark 10:6.

101G.

Yeah, bereshith has nothing to with echad.

I think you've successfully demonstrated a complete disconnect from reality.
Have a great day.