Fundamentals of the Christian faith

[SteveB]

I think you're right sounds like a good one to me also. I'll get to work on it

While I can write, I'm not a writer.
I have a few ideas, and would like to draw them up, but I'm just uncomfortable enough that I'd like help doing so.

I actually began to put together ideas for a book, but when I look around, I see far more educated people in better positions, writing some really great books.

Then Solomon made a comment about there being


Ecc 12:11-14 WEB 11 The words of the wise are like goads; and like nails well fastened are words from the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. 12 Furthermore, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. 13 This is the end of the matter. All has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil.

As such, I've found myself wondering....
Why?
Just focus on learning to follow Jesus and leave it to others....
And yet at the same time, I find myself wondering....
Why not? I'm not seeing others do what I want to do.

 

[Administrator]

While I can write, I'm not a writer.
I have a few ideas, and would like to draw them up, but I'm just uncomfortable enough that I'd like help doing so.

I actually began to put together ideas for a book, but when I look around, I see far more educated people in better positions, writing some really great books.

Then Solomon made a comment about there being


Ecc 12:11-14 WEB 11 The words of the wise are like goads; and like nails well fastened are words from the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. 12 Furthermore, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. 13 This is the end of the matter. All has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil.

As such, I've found myself wondering....
Why?
Just focus on learning to follow Jesus and leave it to others....
And yet at the same time, I find myself wondering....
Why not? I'm not seeing others do what I want to do.

My sister-in-law didn't start writing and publishing books until she was in her fifties and so far she's finished three. So I think if you set your mind to it you can do it there's a lot of tools out there you can use to help. And the main thing is whatever topic you choose you will become quite familiar with it and able to teach it by the time you're done riding the book.

 

[101G]

Here is the link to the our site

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We will be adding more as time goes on.

Thanks, but 101G has a question. if Christ, (NOT THE Lord Jesus), but Christ, is deity, how can Christ, (Not Jesus) died for our sins? is not Christ blood & Flesh? so how is flesh with blood Deity? and do not Ecclesiastes 12:7 states the spirit return to God? "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

and since the spirit returns to God, then the sacrifice was Flesh and Blood. so how is flesh and blood is DEITY?

101G.

 

[Frank Russell]

As you may have heard before, if it's not Fun, then it's Mental ... or maybe not.

The sermon on the mount comes to mind because of how Jesus ended the speech declaring anyone who doesn't apply said teachings are building their house on sand.

 

[SteveB]

Thanks, but 101G has a question. if Christ, (NOT THE Lord Jesus), but Christ, is deity, how can Christ, (Not Jesus) died for our sins? is not Christ blood & Flesh? so how is flesh with blood Deity? and do not Ecclesiastes 12:7 states the spirit return to God? "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

and since the spirit returns to God, then the sacrifice was Flesh and Blood. so how is flesh and blood is DEITY?

101G.

Ok, this makes no sense.
Are you saying that the Lord Jesus is NOT the Christ?

 

[Administrator]

Thanks, but 101G has a question. if Christ, (NOT THE Lord Jesus), but Christ, is deity, how can Christ, (Not Jesus) died for our sins? is not Christ blood & Flesh? so how is flesh with blood Deity? and do not Ecclesiastes 12:7 states the spirit return to God? "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

and since the spirit returns to God, then the sacrifice was Flesh and Blood. so how is flesh and blood is DEITY?

101G.

Appreciate your question but I think I'll allow our members to give you an answer.

 

[Steven]

Yes the gospel is a great one. We've added that one. In two different sections.

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[civic]

Thanks, but 101G has a question. if Christ, (NOT THE Lord Jesus), but Christ, is deity, how can Christ, (Not Jesus) died for our sins? is not Christ blood & Flesh? so how is flesh with blood Deity? and do not Ecclesiastes 12:7 states the spirit return to God? "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

and since the spirit returns to God, then the sacrifice was Flesh and Blood. so how is flesh and blood is DEITY?

101G.

This is called a false dichotomy fallacy

 

[Olde Tymer]

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FAQ: I came to the realization recently that I've yet to live up to the Sermon On
The Mount per Matt 5:1-7:29. Now what?

REPLY: The worst thing you can do now is remain silent; but I have a suggestion.

Find some privacy . . . cover your face with your hands as it will give you a sense of
connection. Then out loud or under your breath; tell God you've never fully
complied with the Sermon and you're pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you'd like
to take advantage of His son's death to protect yourself from retribution.

From that point on God stops keeping a criminal record of people's wrongs.

● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting
their trespasses against them. (cf. Jer 31:31-34)

The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to keeping an inventory, i.e. an
indictment. Well; without an indictment, prosecutors would be silly to haul someone
into court because most any honest judge would refuse to hear them.

So, in the end, folks protected by Christ's crucifixion will have nothing on the books
with which to accuse them at the great white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15,
viz: it will appear they have never been anything less than 100% innocent their
entire lives.

● Rom 8:34 . . Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died? More than that:
he who was raised to life, and is at the right hand of God, and is also interceding for
us?
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[Olde Tymer]

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FAQ: Why do Christians remember Christ's resurrection via Easter Sunday?

REPLY: Jesus' crucifixion made it possible for everyone to obtain a pardon per Isa
53:6. However, his crucifixion alone doesn't clear them, viz: it leaves the record of
their wrongs intact.

For example; former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US President
Richard Nixon, but although the pardon kept Mr. Nixon out of prison, it did nothing
to clear his name, viz: he's still in the books for criminal conduct. So then; the
thing that Mr. Nixon really needed was exoneration which, though impossible in
most any of the world's normal criminal justice systems, is very possible in
Heaven's system via Jesus' resurrection.

● Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised to life
for our justification.

The Greek word for "justification" basically means acquittal; defined as an
adjudication of innocence: usually due to a lack of sufficient evidence to convict.

That's comparable to Isa 53:11 wherein is said:

"By his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many; and he will bear their
iniquities."
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[101G]

Ok, this makes no sense.
Are you saying that the Lord Jesus is NOT the Christ?

listen and understand. The Christ is born, the Lord Jesus, "GOD", is never born. please learn the fundamental. the Son of God is born, (flesh bone and blood). the Son of Man, (spirit) is GIVEN. supportive scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." what is born? flesh bone and blood. now are spirits born, no, they are given. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" now lets see this clearly.

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

a child is "BORN", flesh bone and blood, title Son of God. .......... a son is, "GIVEN", spirit, title Son of Man. lets prove it out in scripture. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." yes, the Son of man, (spirit), is in heaven as well as on earth while talking to Nicodemus. but the son of man is not in heaven with blood.

if you have further questions just ask.

101G.

PS, please note the body, flesh bone and blood, when Given a spirit at birth takes on the IDENITY of the spirit that dwells in it.

 

[101G]

This is called a false dichotomy fallacy

see post #31.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

listen and understand.

I've been doing that since the 70's.

The Christ is born, the Lord Jesus, "GOD", is never born

Yet Jesus is born.

please learn the fundamental. the Son of God is born, (flesh bone and blood). the Son of Man, (spirit) is GIVEN. supportive scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." what is born? flesh bone and blood. now are spirits born, no, they are given. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" now lets see this clearly.

Have you ever actually read 1 John 4?
Jesus the Christ is come in the flesh.
1Jn 4:1-3 WEB 1 Beloved, don’t believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit who doesn’t confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God; and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

yep.

a child is "BORN", flesh bone and blood, title Son of God. .......... a son is, "GIVEN", spirit, title Son of Man. lets prove it out in scripture. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." yes, the Son of man, (spirit), is in heaven as well as on earth while talking to Nicodemus. but the son of man is not in heaven with blood.

Son of Man....
Curious thing about the Son of Man.
He's a descendant of Adam, and later of Abraham.
Both human men.

if you have further questions just ask.

So who do you say that Jesus, the Son of Man is?
Mat 16:15 WEB He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

101G.

PS, please note the body, flesh bone and blood, when Given a spirit at birth takes on the IDENITY of the spirit that dwells in it.

Ok. This is so completely esoteric as to be meaningless.

 

[101G]

Yet Jesus is born.

so God is Born. yes or no?

 

[SteveB]

so God is Born. yes or no?

Challenging concept, isn't it?
Perhaps the best way to handle this is to read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and do it again, and again, and again, and again....
Otherwise , this becomes an incredibly detailed and difficult description.

YHVH always existed.
YHVH the Son, became a man, through the virgin birth.
As YHVH has always been Lord of Lords, and King of kings, Jesus was Lord before his birth, at the moment of his birth, throughout his life on earth, at the moment of his death, while preaching to the spirits in prison, at his resurrection and beyond, throughout eternity.
All this is contained in the Bible.

 

[101G]

YHVH the Son, became a man, through the virgin birth.

ERROR. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" here "FORM" is the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

and the NATURE of God is Spirit, per John 4:24a. and no human women birth Spirit ... at all. so that want work. only flesh can produce flesh.

try again.

101G.

 

[SteveB]

ERROR. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" here "FORM" is the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

and the NATURE of God is Spirit, per John 4:24a. and no human women birth Spirit ... at all. so that want work. only flesh can produce flesh.

try again.

101G.

I'm not having a problem here.
Luk 1:32-37 KJV 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. 36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Rev 1:8 KJV I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Isa 41:4 KJV Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isa 44:6 KJVLite Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus is YHVH the Son.
He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega.

The error here is that you are ignoring the rest of that passage in Philippians 2.


Phi 2:6-11 WEB 6 who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus is exactly who/what the entire Bible describes him as.

YHVH the Son.
Come to the earth in human flesh to save us from our sin, and from the wrath of God due to our sin.

 

[101G]

I'm not having a problem here.
Luk 1:32-37 KJV 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. 36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

oh my, Phil. 2:6 is clearly the son of Man. Luke 1:32-37, the son of God, Flesh bone and blood. you don't know the difference, do you? Oh my.

Rev 1:8 KJV I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Isa 41:4 KJV Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

is this one person? yes or no.

Isa 44:6 KJVLite Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
and is not the Lord Jesus the First and the Last? lets see, Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" THIS IS THE LORD JESUS ADDRESSING THE CHURCH HERE RIGHT. well the FIRST and the LAST is the Spirit. read all 7 letters and see how each END.... "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches"

101G.

 

[SteveB]

oh my, Phil. 2:6 is clearly the son of Man. Luke 1:32-37, the son of God, Flesh bone and blood. you don't know the difference, do you? Oh my.

So to you, the Son of God is NOT the Son of Man?

is this one person? yes or no.

Why Yes
Yes he is!

Mat 16:13 WEB Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

Mat 16:16-17 WEB 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

Joh 10:36 WEB do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

Curious thing is.... the same guy said those things.
So, yes! As a matter of fact, he's the same person!

now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
and is not the Lord Jesus the First and the Last? lets see, Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" THIS IS THE LORD JESUS ADDRESSING THE CHURCH HERE RIGHT. well the FIRST and the LAST is the Spirit. read all 7 letters and see how each END.... "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches"

101G.

Now you're sounding like you're tripping over yourself.

 

[Olde Tymer]

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He's a descendant of Adam, and later of Abraham.

It's very easy to show how Jesus is one of Adam's biological descendants.

● Luke 1:32 . .The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

No man can be considered for David's place except they first and foremost be
Judah's paternal offspring.

● Gen 49:10 . The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from
between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs.

The man considered must also be David's paternal offspring.

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it:
"Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"

The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfied the paternal requirement.

● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch
David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,
that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on
his throne.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" is a mite ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual
progeny as well as biological progeny; but in David's case; seed refers to biological
progeny because Jesus was 1) the fruit of David's body and 2) of David's loins
according to the flesh.

There's really no need to trace David's paternal descent from Adam because that's
everyone's biological origin.

● Gen 3:20 . . Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of
all the living.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man the unknown God made every nation of men.

NOTE: The Greek word translated "nation" is interesting. It doesn't necessarily
pertain to specific countries like the USA, Canada, India, and/or South America, et
al. It mostly pertains to people's ethnic identity: defined by Webster's as of, or
relating to, large groups of people classed according to common racial, national,
tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background. For example Pygmy,
Inuit, Native American, Pacific Island, Asian, Semitic, Aboriginal, etc.
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