Faith precedes life !

Paul makes it very clear in Galatians 5:16-24 that believers can indeed walk in the power of the flesh – even religious people.

Paul tells us that we should walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh. But, becoming a Christian does not mean the flesh is automatically dead. Rather, it means a struggle starts within for control of our life between the flesh and the newly revived human spirit.
Believers can walk according to the flesh, however they cant be classified as being in the flesh since they have the Spirit dwelling in them as well Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
Believers can walk according to the flesh, however they cant be classified as being in the flesh since they have the Spirit dwelling in them as well Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Unregenerates can please God when they confess and believe Christ as per Rom 10:8-13. In fact, they please God so much that they're rewarded with eternal life. Now if you run away from these verses then it's case closed.
 
Believers can walk according to the flesh, however they cant be classified as being in the flesh since they have the Spirit dwelling in them as well Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
‘Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.’ (Eph. 6:10–13)

Take a look at demonology from our Christian standpoint. The apostle tells us that we must wrestle against this wrong teaching and must learn how to stand against it. And our business now is to discover how we do that. In other words, what is the answer given by the teaching of the Bible and the Christian gospel to the claims put forward in Calvinism and their false gospel.
 
Unregenerates can please God when they confess and believe Christ as per Rom 10:8-13. In fact, they please God so much that they're rewarded with eternal life. Now if you run away from these verses then it's case closed.
No, you see, unregenerates dont have the Spirit and are classified as in the flesh, who cant please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

This statement cant apply to the regenerate believer even though he has the sinful flesh still with him. In the flesh can apply only to the unregenerate. If you say the unregenerate can please God, you oppose what Paul wrote in Rom 8:8
 
‘Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.’ (Eph. 6:10–13)

Take a look at demonology from our Christian standpoint. The apostle tells us that we must wrestle against this wrong teaching and must learn how to stand against it. And our business now is to discover how we do that. In other words, what is the answer given by the teaching of the Bible and the Christian gospel to the claims put forward in Calvinism and their false gospel.
Why are you wasting space and time ? The unregenerate cant please God, so for one to have Faith that pleases God Heb 11:1 they must have life from regeneration. Quoting Eph 6:10-13 is meaningless in this discussion
 
Why are you wasting space and time ? The unregenerate cant please God, so for one to have Faith that pleases God Heb 11:1 they must have life from regeneration. Quoting Eph 6:10-13 is meaningless in this discussion
The doctrine of common grace pertains to the sovereign grace of God bestowed upon all of mankind regardless of their election. In other words, God has always bestowed His graciousness on all people in all parts of the earth at all times. Although the doctrine of common grace has always been clear in Scripture, in 1924, the Christian Reformed Church (CRC) adopted the doctrine of common grace at the Synod of Kalamazoo (Michigan) and formulated what is known as the “three points of common grace.”

The first point pertains to the favorable attitude of God toward all His creatures, not only toward the elect. “The Lord is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made” (Psalm 145:9). Jesus said God causes “his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matthew 5:45) and God “is kind to the ungrateful and wicked” (Luke 6:35). Barnabas and Paul would later say the same thing: “He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy” (Acts 14:17). In addition to His compassion, goodness, and kindness, God also sheds His patience upon both the elect and the non-elect. While God’s patience for His own is undoubtedly different from His patience with those whom He has not chosen, God still exercises “longsuffering” toward those whom He has not chosen (Nahum 1:3). Every breath that the wicked man takes is an example of the mercy of our holy God.

The second point of common grace is the restraint of sin in the life of the individual and in society. Scripture records God directly intervening and restraining individuals from sinning. In Genesis 20, God restrained Abimelech from touching Sarah, Abraham’s wife, and affirmed it to him in a dream by saying, “Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her” (Genesis 20:6). Another example of God restraining the wicked hearts of evil men is seen in God’s protection of the land of Israel from being invaded by the pagan nations on their border. God commanded the men of Israel that three times a year they would leave their plot of land to go and appear before Him (Exodus 34:23). To ensure the protection of God’s people from invasion during these times, even though the pagan nations surrounding them desired their land year-round, God promised that “no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God” (Exodus 34:24). God also restrained David from taking revenge on Nabal for scorning the messengers that David sent to greet Nabal (1 Samuel 25:14). Abigail, Nabal’s wife, recognized God’s grace when she pleaded with David not to seek vengeance against her husband, “since the Lord has kept you, my master, from bloodshed and from avenging yourself with your own hands…” (1 Samuel 25:26). David acknowledged this truth by responding, “As surely as the Lord, the God of Israel, lives, who has kept me from harming you…” (1 Samuel 25:34).

This second point of common grace not only includes God’s restraining of evil, but also His sovereignly releasing it for His purposes. When God hardens the hearts of individuals (Exodus 4:21; Joshua 11:20; Isaiah 63:17), He does so by releasing His restraint on their hearts, thereby giving them over to the sin that resides there. In His punishment of Israel for their rebellion, God gave “them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices” (Psalm 81:11-12). The passage of Scripture best known for speaking of God’s releasing of restraint is found in Romans 1 where Paul describes those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. God “gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another” (Romans 1:28).

The third point of common grace as adopted by the CRC pertains to “civic righteousness by the unregenerate.” This means that God, without renewing the heart, exercises such influence that even the unsaved man is enabled to perform good deeds toward his fellow man. As Paul said of a group of unregenerate Gentiles, they “do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law” (Romans 2:14). The necessity of God restraining the hearts of the unredeemed becomes clear when we understand the biblical doctrine of total depravity. If God did not restrain the evil that resides in the hearts of all men, hearts which are “deceitful and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9), humanity would have destroyed itself centuries ago. But because He works through common grace given to all men, God’s sovereign plan for history is not thwarted by their evil hearts. In the doctrine of common grace, we see God’s purposes stand, His people blessed, and His glory magnified.

Got?
 
No? You're willing to just dismiss Rom 10:8-13 with just a "No"???? No wonder you were thrown out of your fundamental bible college. I would have done the same to you. I'll give you one more chance to address Rom 10:8-13 before I classify you as one who runs away from the Bible.
you see, unregenerates dont have the Spirit and are classified as in the flesh, who cant please God Rom 8:8
You are making too many assumptions here. First of all, the audience is regenerates. Just because you're encicled by only unregenerates in your church does not mean we all are.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
True for an audience that is regenerated. Now go find a verse that iscas close as possible for the point you're trying to make for unregenerates and then we can explore your heresy further. I'm sure there are dozens out there. Hop to it.
This statement cant apply to the regenerate believer even though he has the sinful flesh still with him. In the flesh can apply only to the unregenerate.
False. Regenerates can fall back to their fleshly desires too. You don't think that's possible?
If you say the unregenerate can please God, you oppose what Paul wrote in Rom 8:8
My statements above prove that I don't oppose Paul. In fact, I support Paul by mentioning Rom 10:8-13 that proves that the unregenerates can please God.

Again, I'll give you one more chance to address Rom 10:8-13 before I classify you as one who runs away from the Bible.
 
No? You're willing to just dismiss Rom 10:8-13 with just a "No"???? No wonder you were thrown out of your fundamental bible college. I would have done the same to you. I'll give you one more chance to address Rom 10:8-13 before I classify you as one who runs away from the Bible.

You are making too many assumptions here. First of all, the audience is regenerates. Just because you're encicled by only unregenerates in your church does not mean we all are.

True for an audience that is regenerated. Now go find a verse that iscas close as possible for the point you're trying to make for unregenerates and then we can explore your heresy further. I'm sure there are dozens out there. Hop to it.

False. Regenerates can fall back to their fleshly desires too. You don't think that's possible?

My statements above prove that I don't oppose Paul. In fact, I support Paul by mentioning Rom 10:8-13 that proves that the unregenerates can please God.

Again, I'll give you one more chance to address Rom 10:8-13 before I classify you as one who runs away from the Bible.
Lol, you still dont get it, you dont have a leg to stand on
 
@Jay



Now you off to the races about something else. This thread is about "faith before life"
You mean like this from the OP

1- hearing the word, the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- receiving the gospel
4- calling upon the Lord
5- confessing Jesus is Lord
6- resulting in the new birth, born of God, salvation, eternal life


Your not even at the starting gate much less in the race.
 
Lol, you still dont get it, you dont have a leg to stand on
Rom 10:8-13 and Rom 8:8 is more than just a "leg". It is the word of God. You shun Rom 10:8-13 at your own risk.

No wonder you were thrown out of your fundamental bible college. I would have done the same to you. Your maniacal and unhinged laughter exposes who you really are. May you come to your senses one day.
 
Rom 10:8-13 and Rom 8:8 is more than just a "leg". It is the word of God. You shun Rom 10:8-13 at your own risk.

No wonder you were thrown out of your fundamental bible college. I would have done the same to you. Your maniacal and unhinged laughter exposes who you really are. May you come to your senses one day.
Nothing in Rom 10:8-13 states that they in the flesh can please God. Show that quote in that passage
 
Nothing in Rom 10:8-13 states that they in the flesh can please God. Show that quote in that passage
The fact that unregenerates can be saved by God is not proof enough that God is pleased?????? 😲

It is through hearing the word of God and believing it that a person is saved. See verse 17 below. Your ear and your mind are part of your human flesh nature. Don't tell me I have to teach you Biology also.

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
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17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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The fact that unregenerates can be saved by God is not proof enough that God is pleased?????? 😲

It is through hearing the word of God and believing it that a person is saved. See verse 17 below. Your ear and your mind are part of your human flesh nature. Don't tell me I have to teach you Biology also.

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
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17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
So where does it say the unregenerate, them in the flesh can please God ?
 
@synergy



Well yeah, after God saved an unregenerate person, then they can please God, for then they have the Spirit in them. Duh
The decision to save an unregenerated person is made BEFORE one becomes regenerated, not after. It pleases God to decide to save a person when that person is still unregenerated. Duh.

Just because you make decisions after you act doesn't mean that everyone acts the same silly way you act. :LOL:
 
So where does it say the unregenerate, them in the flesh can please God ?
Again, it's through hearing the word of God and believing it that a person is saved.

(Rom 10:17) So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Your ear and your mind are part of your human flesh nature. Don't tell me I have to teach you Biology also.
 
The decision to save an unregenerated person is made BEFORE one becomes regenerated, not after. It pleases God to decide to save a person when that person is still unregenerated. Duh.

Just because you make decisions after you act doesn't mean that everyone acts the same silly way you act. :LOL:
Prior to regeneration one is without the Spirit and in the flesh and can't please God See Rom 8:8
 
Prior to regeneration one is without the Spirit and in the flesh and can't please God See Rom 8:8
True for Paul's audience that is regenerated. Now go find a verse that is as close as possible for the point you're trying to make for unregenerates and then we can explore your heresy further. I'm sure there are dozens out there. Hop to it.

I gave you Rom 10:8-17 to help the conversation along but you're avoiding them like the plague. So I'm leaving it up to you to find verses for unregenerates. If you continue to not find even one that makes your case then it will be obvious to everyone that you're a heretic pure and simple.
 
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