DavidTree
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question: Was not his 'birthright' directly connected to God/Salvation?
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I forgot to mention I was 6 month's old at the time.
DavidTree
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lol - thank you, good humor isn't just ice creamI forgot to mention I was 6 month's old at the time.
I had a child older than that!I forgot to mention I was 6 month's old at the time.
You seriously think you have the mind of the Spirit? Seriously?!?!?!?!?
Eternally-Grateful
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no, as birthright, he would have been given his fathers things as the oldest child.
instead they went to Jacob, which of course was gods will to begin with. do it his way not our way..
brightfame52
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Lol, unteachable, because you cant teach me error ! Faith is the Gift of God, its not of man at all, that is Faith in Salvation Eph 2:8
brightfame52
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What do you mean ? However believers in regeneration have the mind of Christ which is another subject 1 Cor 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
DavidTree
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Yes, i understand the earthly blessings associated with 'birth right' = thank you my Brother
God used the analogy between Esau and Jacob concerning 'birthright' and connceting it to our 'birthright' in CHRIST
Genesis 25:5 And Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac = Gospel
GOSPEL
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
DavidTree
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concerning our Salvation and the Battle we all face, this song came to me Today
CHRIST will never forsake us or leave us = Psalm 94:14 , Deut 31:8 , Hebrews 13:1-6
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CHRIST will never forsake us or leave us = Psalm 94:14 , Deut 31:8 , Hebrews 13:1-6
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Dizerner
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@Jim
For I was alive without the law once~ Paul thought himself alive, in a justifying way, before he learned God condemned his lusts. When sin is dead in the sense just given (7:8), then a religious person (like Paul was) thinks himself alive before God, Though Paul had Moses’ Law from birth, he did not grasp the strict prohibition against lust.
But when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died~ The commandment historically came at Sinai, but Paul described his understanding of it. If lust was dead and Paul was alive before he understood, then sin came to life, and he died. It is by hearing and understand the law that we come to see our sins as they truly are according to the strict law of God. (James 1:21-25). As a regenerate child of God, Paul finally after his Damascus road experience begin to see that in his flesh dwelled no good thing, Jim, not one! He added this:
O wretched man that I am!
The death that Paul had described repeatedly regarding the Law was due to his sinful body. As we well know, it was not the Law that was wretched, for it was in fact holy, just, good, and spiritual (7:12). It was Paul’s fleshly members and old nature by his first birth that was wretchedly sinful. That's why (one of many scriptures) I hold to totally depravity of all men by nature. It did not matter that Paul agreed with the Jews that the Law was holy, just, good, and spiritual (7:12,14), for it is only the keeping of the Law that mattered (2:13). Jim, regarding justification, our condition and situation are hopeless without a Saviour to save!
Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Paul’s body, and our bodies as well, with a law of sin in them, allows no hope from the flesh. Jim, WHY do men like you exalt man's free will to do spiritual acts pleasing unto God with such scriptures as these we are now reading? I tis hard to imagine men like doing this, so I leave it in God's hands, as the final judge of all men's hearts.
Jim, We have bodily members and a principle of wickedness in our flesh that can only sin forever , even in our most holy moments! This should grieve us all, surely it does you.
Therefore, we need a Saviour, because our flesh will not and can not fulfill the Law for our justification. Therefore, we need a Saviour, because our flesh will not fulfill the Law for our sanctification. Jesus does not directly save us from the Law, for it is not Moses’ Law that is the cause of our guilt and condemnation, but rather our sinful depravity and propensities that break the Law.
The next verse and following into Romans 8 are wonderful to our believing hearts and gives us great comfort. Later on this.
Jim, the natural men can do certain acts of kindness, this none would deny, but they cannot do it in the manner in which the law of God commands us, on the spiritual level that the law demands, even a child of God cannot!
Later...
Yes, overall I agree with these words, but will add just a little to this. Brother, before we (you and I) were converted the true faith, the only true faith in this world, the rellgion of Jesus Christ, we truly had no ideal just how wicked we were by nature, not even close.
Romans 7:9
“For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.”For I was alive without the law once~ Paul thought himself alive, in a justifying way, before he learned God condemned his lusts. When sin is dead in the sense just given (7:8), then a religious person (like Paul was) thinks himself alive before God, Though Paul had Moses’ Law from birth, he did not grasp the strict prohibition against lust.
But when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died~ The commandment historically came at Sinai, but Paul described his understanding of it. If lust was dead and Paul was alive before he understood, then sin came to life, and he died. It is by hearing and understand the law that we come to see our sins as they truly are according to the strict law of God. (James 1:21-25). As a regenerate child of God, Paul finally after his Damascus road experience begin to see that in his flesh dwelled no good thing, Jim, not one! He added this:
Romans 7:24
“O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”O wretched man that I am!
The death that Paul had described repeatedly regarding the Law was due to his sinful body. As we well know, it was not the Law that was wretched, for it was in fact holy, just, good, and spiritual (7:12). It was Paul’s fleshly members and old nature by his first birth that was wretchedly sinful. That's why (one of many scriptures) I hold to totally depravity of all men by nature. It did not matter that Paul agreed with the Jews that the Law was holy, just, good, and spiritual (7:12,14), for it is only the keeping of the Law that mattered (2:13). Jim, regarding justification, our condition and situation are hopeless without a Saviour to save!
Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Paul’s body, and our bodies as well, with a law of sin in them, allows no hope from the flesh. Jim, WHY do men like you exalt man's free will to do spiritual acts pleasing unto God with such scriptures as these we are now reading? I tis hard to imagine men like doing this, so I leave it in God's hands, as the final judge of all men's hearts.
Jim, We have bodily members and a principle of wickedness in our flesh that can only sin forever , even in our most holy moments! This should grieve us all, surely it does you.
Therefore, we need a Saviour, because our flesh will not and can not fulfill the Law for our justification. Therefore, we need a Saviour, because our flesh will not fulfill the Law for our sanctification. Jesus does not directly save us from the Law, for it is not Moses’ Law that is the cause of our guilt and condemnation, but rather our sinful depravity and propensities that break the Law.
The next verse and following into Romans 8 are wonderful to our believing hearts and gives us great comfort. Later on this.
Jim much more so! Before being born again, I loved my sins, and thought I would wait until the end of my life and then get saved having the best of two worlds! I actually thought this, but God had other plans for me, which I'm eternally grateful he did.
Well, Jim you are a very intelligent person, that I know very well, debating you for almost fifteen years or longer~You are quoting directly from Paul's words and strait out reject what he is saying so plainly! How can you do that with a clear conscience, is beyond me. Neither of us have many more years left, and maybe I even less, since my health has gone down faster than I desire in the last three years, or so, we cannot play with God's word, but must accept it just as it is written by comparing scriptures with scriptures and making them have a perfect flow from one to another, that you cannot do with this subject, even with your powerful reasoning gift given to you.
Romans 8:7
“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."Jim, the natural men can do certain acts of kindness, this none would deny, but they cannot do it in the manner in which the law of God commands us, on the spiritual level that the law demands, even a child of God cannot!
Of course Paul is speaking about doing God's commandments as the LAW COMMANDS, which no man has ever done, EXCEPT ONE, and that's who we look to for our free justification unto eternal life. While living in the flesh, Paul saw another law working IN HIM, that is in his flesh, that grieved his holy new man, which was created after the image of Jesus Christ, who DID loved and delighted in God's law perfectly, and rendered perfect obedience for us in our place as our surety, before God's law.
Later...
DavidTree
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i believe that God has given to us that choice
Thus the Scriptures Says: Today, if you hear His Voice, harden not your hearts
Just last night there was a war raging for my heart to become hardened because of prolonged suffering
Most people will never admit to the struggles, i do for i know HIM who holds me in His Hand
brightfame52
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Those whom God saves by Covenant Salvation, the promise is they shall not depart Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
This is through the Blood of the everlasting covenant Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Dizerner
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If they remain steadfast in the faith and do not depart from it.
Just keep using your free will even if you think you don't have it.
DavidTree
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Would you then say that your post here with Jeremiah 32:40 agrees with post 3,054
Dizerner
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Under Calvinism God might let someone think they are elect for a long time only to remove their false grace and show them as a vessel of wrath. It's like they are all walking with that uncertainty of not knowing whether God is just setting them up.
brightfame52
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God says they shall not depart from Him, can you take God at His word ?
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