Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[brightfame52]

Rom 10:14 puts the lie to your nonsense. How can anyone believe unless they have first heard the Gospel.

You hear the Gospel of your salvation when you possess it, thats plain Eph 1:13

13 ;In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

They possessed salvation when they heard the good news of it. Explain how its yours and you dont yet possess it ?

 

[Doug Brents]

You hear the Gospel of your salvation when you possess it, thats plain Eph 1:13

13 ;In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

They possessed salvation when they heard the good news of it. Explain how its yours and you dont yet possess it ?

Eph 1:13 says that you trusted God AFTER YOU HEARD the Word of Truth. You cannot believe/trust/have faith in something you have not yet heard.

 

[brightfame52]

Eph 1:13 says that you trusted God AFTER YOU HEARD the Word of Truth. You cannot believe/trust/have faith in something you have not yet heard.

They heard it while in possession of salvation. It had to be in their possession to hear about it.

 

[MTMattie]

You hear the Gospel of your salvation when you possess it, thats plain Eph 1:13

13 ;In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

They possessed salvation when they heard the good news of it. Explain how its yours and you dont yet possess it ?

@brightfame52

I am asking you to share your personal testimony of what it was like for you when the Holy Spirit came to live in you and what your
experience was of any conviction by him.

 

[civic]

Your view is your view, its not scripture

projecting its your view which is unbiblical.

 

[Jim]

When is a person born again if not by hearing and believing the Gospel?

Why don't you ask that of @brightfame52 ? He is the one who doesn't believe that.

 

[civic]

Why don't you ask that of @brightfame52 ? He is the one who doesn't believe that.

correct in his theology one is born again before they even know who Jesus is and the hearing of the gospel.

 

[Doug Brents]

They heard it while in possession of salvation. It had to be in their possession to hear about it.

ROTFLMBO!!! That is absurd, and does not reflect what Scripture says.

 

[civic]

ROTFLMBO!!! That is absurd, and does not reflect what Scripture says.

100% correct

 

[MTMattie]

They heard it while in possession of salvation. It had to be in their possession to hear about it.

How the $(%^@ do you possess salvation? Do you get it at the Salvation Army thrift store?

 

[brightfame52]

ROTFLMBO!!! That is absurd, and does not reflect what Scripture says.

It's the truth. That's why it's carefully worded, after you heard the Gospel of Your Salvation, Genitive case of possession. How could it be the Gospel of your salvation and you still lost!

 

[brightfame52]

How the $(%^@ do you possess salvation? Do you get it at the Salvation Army thrift store?

By being saved duh

 

[Doug Brents]

It's the truth. That's why it's carefully worded, after you heard the Gospel of Your Salvation, Genitive case of possession. How could it be the Gospel of your salvation and you still lost!

It is through HEARING the Gospel that we are SAVED. You cannot be saved before your hear about what it is that saves you.

 

[civic]

It is through HEARING the Gospel that we are SAVED. You cannot be saved before your hear about what it is that saves you.

Ditto

 

[brightfame52]

It is through HEARING the Gospel that we are SAVED. You cannot be saved before your hear about what it is that saves you.

They hear because they possess salvation, The Spirit is in them, Christ is in them, He is their Salvation. Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Your in the greek is a possessive pronoun, a lost person doesnt possess salvation

 

[Doug Brents]

They hear because they possess salvation, The Spirit is in them, Christ is in them, He is their Salvation. Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Your in the greek is a possessive pronoun, a lost person doesnt possess salvation

Shift your focus from "YOUR" to "AFTER"! We are saved when we exhibit faith in Christ. And we exhibit faith AFTER we hear the Gospel. When we exhibit faith it becomes our ("your") faith, but it is not "your"'s until you have exhibited faith in it, which cannot be done until AFTER it is heard.

 

[brightfame52]

Shift your focus from "YOUR" to "AFTER"! We are saved when we exhibit faith in Christ. And we exhibit faith AFTER we hear the Gospel. When we exhibit faith it becomes our ("your") faith, but it is not "your"'s until you have exhibited faith in it, which cannot be done until AFTER it is heard.

They heard the Truth because they possessed Salvation, it could not have been the Gospel of their Salvation if Salvation wasnt theirs in possession. Also Jesus stated plainly who it is that Hears the words of God Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

To be of God is to be saved, so Jesus and Eph 1:13 are in agreement

 

[civic]

Eph 1:13 says that you trusted God AFTER YOU HEARD the Word of Truth. You cannot believe/trust/have faith in something you have not yet heard.

Yes it’s clearly said in the text

 

[synergy]

They heard the Truth because they possessed Salvation, it could not have been the Gospel of their Salvation if Salvation wasnt theirs in possession. Also Jesus stated plainly who it is that Hears the words of God Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

To be of God is to be saved, so Jesus and Eph 1:13 are in agreement

Calvinists have incorporated several Hindu beliefs into their mindset. Both religions have their own version of Enlightenment and Caste System beliefs. You're talking about calvinist Enlightenment. Tell us more about this calvinist enlightenment.

 

[Jim]

Shift your focus from "YOUR" to "AFTER"! We are saved when we exhibit faith in Christ. And we exhibit faith AFTER we hear the Gospel. When we exhibit faith it becomes our ("your") faith, but it is not "your"'s until you have exhibited faith in it, which cannot be done until AFTER it is heard.

He apparently cannot read with any level of comprehension.

For @brightfame52 , the sentence, "By your mother you also, when you heard the call to dinner, the good news of your hunger satiation, and believed her, were given a seat at the dinner table," would mean he had already eaten before she called him.