Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[Jim]

@MTMattie

Nora, this is a classic example of circular reasoning ~ it does not prove the end results of WHY you believe. If any believes, it is because they were first quickened to life, regardless if they have never heard the gospel, or if they have heard the gospel many times over, and never received it as the truth.

Red, that is simply not true. The ability to believe is in the creation of man. It is one of the traits derives from the spirit of man formed in him at or before birth. Your view is that man is no better than any in the rest of the animal kingdom.

 

[civic]

I should be expected since my view is correct about Ephesians 1:13, unlike your determinist view.

yes the order is clear that Paul outlines and where faith precedes the Holy Spirits new birth in man.

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit "

AMEN !

 

[brightfame52]

I heard the Gospel of my Salvation long before I received. Period.

I dont know nothing about you.

 

[brightfame52]

I should be expected since my view is correct about Ephesians 1:13, unlike your determinist view.

To me its just your view

 

[MTMattie]

@MTMattie

Nora, this is a classic example of circular reasoning ~ it does not prove the end results of WHY you believe. If any believes, it is because they were first quickened to life, regardless if they have never heard the gospel, or if they have heard the gospel many times over, and never received it as the truth.

If what you say is true, even though I believe what I say is true.... then I guess I have the best of both worlds

 

[brightfame52]

How can someone hear the Gospel of their salvation, yours meaning having possession of, and that person isnt even saved, but in fact lost!

 

[Jim]

To me its just your view

I prefer the biblical view, not yours.

 

[MTMattie]

I dont know nothing about you.

Thank the good Lord.

I , on the otherhand, know a lot about you. But dont worry.... mummms the word

 

[Jim]

How can someone hear the Gospel of their salvation, yours meaning having possession of, and that person isnt even saved, but in fact lost!

Your god is incapable of intelligent conversation with the ordinary human being.

 

[brightfame52]

I prefer the biblical view, not yours.

Like I said, its your view, not scripture

 

[brightfame52]

Thank the good Lord.

I , on the otherhand, know a lot about you. But dont worry.... mummms the word

I dont judge scripture truth by your experiences

 

[MTMattie]

I dont judge scripture truth by your experiences

That's because we do not have the same bible.

 

[Jim]

Like I said, its your view, not scripture

No, my view is scripture; yours is some view of a God that can't even talk to his creation.

 

[JLB]

No, my view is scripture; yours is some view of a God that can't even talk to his creation.

When is a person born again if not by hearing and believing the Gospel?

 

[JLB]

Like I said, its your view, not scripture

When does a person become born again if not when they believe?

 

[MTMattie]

When is a person born again if not by hearing and believing the Gospel?

I am waiting for all the sages to weigh in. You people hear enough from me on this.

 

[brightfame52]

No, my view is scripture; yours is some view of a God that can't even talk to his creation.

Your view is your view, its not scripture

 

[brightfame52]

When does a person become born again if not when they believe?

You sound like a broken record

 

[Doug Brents]

No one can hear the Gospel of their Salvation until they possess salvation, are saved, regenerated. I

Rom 10:14 puts the lie to your nonsense. How can anyone believe unless they have first heard the Gospel.

 

[MTMattie]

Your view is your view, its not scripture

In John 8:43-44 (when people do not understand the language of Jesus) we read these words of Jesus,

43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what i say.

44 You belong to your father the devil,and you want to carry out your father's desire.

Reading these scriptures from Matthew and John, it would appear that the father of the Pharisees is the "serpent."

So heed those words carefully