Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[civic]

Breathing is a past event too.

That doesn't mean I can stop.

So you have been born again multiple times ?

And breathing is not salvation lol

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I don't rest in lies of Satan.

yet you do

I rest in faith in the Cross.

if you did you would believe like I do salved by grace alone through jesus alone by the cross alone through (Notice I did not say by faith but through faith)

Not a false doctrine nor past nanosecond of mental assent.

thats what you have. a doctrine of religion.. the same mistake the jews made. Its you plus your rightious deeds. Not the cross.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

God's grace precedes each of our decisions we must make to the end of our life.

Same principle.

No "one and done."

yes

But salvation depends on one decision.

will you trust me

or will you continue in unbelief

 

[Red Baker]

No I think Gods grace is his grace. not some trumped up grace plus works nonsense

Can I make a suggestion to you, without offending you? Big over used bold black letters are offensive to many people, and truly unnecessary, in my opinion. We do not want to offend other unnecessarily, the truth is offensive without any of us, adding to it. We are here to help, not to purposely offend others. Thank you for considering this.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Can I make a suggestion to you, without offending you? Big over used bold black letters are offensive to many people, and truly unnecessary, in my opinion. We do not want to offend other unnecessarily, the truth is offensive without any of us, adding to it. We are here to help, not to purposely offend others. Thank you for considering this.

they do the same things,

when I post large posts. I highlight them so they can see what it is I want them to respond to in that past.

But thank you. I will try to remember that.

 

[Red Baker]

@Dizerner

But monergism isn't grace, it's spiritual rape—

Please explain how pure grace without works on man's part is spiritual rape. I'll be looking for your answer.

 

[Red Baker]

@GodsGrace

My brother and family are visiting from NY and they're getting me tuckered out!

Fran, enjoy you brother and his family. Is that NY like in America?

 

[Dizerner]

So you have been born again multiple times ?

The Bible says our inner man is BEING renewed DAY BY DAY, as we go from GLORY TO GLORY.

There is no "one and done" it was made up and tickled ears.

Your straw man misrepresentation notwithstanding.

And breathing is not salvation lol

Way to make it overliteral to miss the point of it.

It's not drinking either. But it's compared to it.

It's not eating either. But it's compared to it.

It's not wind blowing either. But it's compared to it. Etc., etc.

Your rebuttals are always so cheap. It's like you want to use these little gotcha internet debating tricks instead of listen to the point, and it's such an ingrained habit you don't even think twice about it. It's sad. It's honestly not even worth engaging, it really is that bad.

next! hope that helps! other trite little sign offs!

 

[Dizerner]

Please explain how pure grace without works on man's part is spiritual rape. I'll be looking for your answer.

It's against our will, it's forcing a union without consent, it's imposing a choice we do not freely desire.

I know Calvinists have a hard time understanding the dignity and sanctity of the image of God in our free choices.

But God says, "Choose you this day," not "I removed your volition."

 

[Dizerner]

will you continue to trust me

or will you continue in unbelief

Fixed that for you.

 

[civic]

Fixed that for you.

Real salvation like faith has a past, present and future aspect to it just like many other things in scripture such as sanctification

 

[synergy]

blah blah blah

again I am done with you. you continue to falsly accuse.

Here are your very own words. Run away from them if you want to.

the verses you posted in no way refute anything i have said. but in fact cause paul and james to appose each other.
Are you anti-pauline as many others are?

These are your very words: "the verses you posted .... cause Paul and James to appose each other".
You are in fact taking issue with Bible verses that I posted and that they are the ones that are causing Paul and James to oppose each other. Now you're into your anti-Bible mindframe.
Tell us how you would rewrite the Bible verses so that they do not "cause paul and james to appose each other" in your mind.
You have done that with James 2:14b so it won't be the first time you attempted such a thing.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope Gods grace precedes man’s decision to believe and repent after hearing the gospel call.

Next fallacy

But did Gods Grace cause man to believe and repent ?

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus told you

he who believes is not condemned

for God so loved the world (everyone) he gave his only son, that whoever believes SHALL NEVER PERSIH, BUT HAS ETERNAL LIFE

not condemned

What takes away condemnation ?

 

[brightfame52]

No,

Its Gods grace

we are saved by grace period. But God will not force us, so he in his love wants us to trust him, and recieve it.

So Gods Grace saved you without your decision ? Yes or No

 

[brightfame52]

@Eternally-Grateful

its the work of God we believe

If its Gods work that we believe, why doesnt everyone believe ? Can Gods work be left undone by Him ?

 

[civic]

But did Gods Grace cause man to believe and repent ?

No it caused man’s salvation

 

[brightfame52]

No it caused man’s salvation

Well who caused the believing ?

 

[civic]

Well who caused the believing ?

The person who believes

 

[Jim]

once again, you fail to respond..

Are you just a troll?

here to attack everyone who does not agree with you. because you can not respond in kind?

i do nto know what else to think

No, just and observation.