GodsGrace
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What do you mean by ISRAEL?
(an ethnic Jew who believes in Jesus remains part of Israel).
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(an ethnic Jew who believes in Jesus remains part of Israel).
Aaron
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Counting yours we have two good answers so far.
No.
The typical statement of the doctrine of Original Sin says that Adam's sin was imputed to the whole rest of humanity.
It doesn't really say that. That is a common interpretation, but it doesn't say that.
It affected Adam, and only Adam.
Not true. The reason that God no longer has the rapport with you that He had with Adam is because you sinned.
From Adam, not from anyone else.
God planned salvation for us because He knew we would sin.
Read the above.
No, you cannot.
Cyrus
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Matthew 5:48 means that Jesus calls his followers to strive for a high standard of moral and spiritual completeness, akin to the perfection of God. This verse emphasizes the importance of love and mercy in one's actions, suggesting that while absolute perfection may be unattainable, the pursuit of it is essential for spiritual growth.
Aaron
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That one works for me.
GodsGrace
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I'm taking a break from painting my laundry room right now.
Everything I state can be proven with scripture.
I state nothing that I cannot find in the NT.
I believe I went over OS with you one time.
I see none of it was accepted even though it's plain church history.
OS just means the first sin that was committed.
Augustine of Hippo changed the meaning in the 5th century.
Why not take the time to study up on this instead of reading my post and then disagreeing?
The early church DID NOT attribute Adam's guilt to anyone but Adam.
Will reply fully later on.
Doug Brents
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Israel is not made up of those who descended biologically from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. If you are born of that biological lineage but do not believe in Jesus, then you are NOT Israel. But even if you are not born of that biological lineage but you do believe in Jesus, then you ARE Israel.
GodsGrace
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That makes 3 !That one works for me.
And I do believe we all agree.
I think this is a small miracle !!
So, Aaron,,,what do YOU think it means??
GodsGrace
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Doug Brents
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Not sure what answer you are wanting here. What are you getting at?
Doug Brents
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100%
I strive against all Sin. I don't cherry pick God's Commandments and Judge them as you do, some as worthy of my respect and honor, and judge others as unworthy my respect and honor. I don't adopt the religious traditions of this world that Judge God and His Words, as you do. After all, He is God. And I am instructed to "Yield myself" to Him, not judge Him, as you do.
If I lived under the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", AKA, the "Levitical Priesthood", I would take animals to the Levite Priest as a sacrifice for my sins. But I would strive against Sin, as the Law and Prophets promote, like Caleb, Joshua, Daniel, Shadrack, David, Isaiah, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, and actually EVERY Example of Faithful man given in the Holy Scriptures. Because As it is written:
1 Sam. 15: And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey "is better" than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
But the Levitical Priesthood was only temporary in it conception, and was prophesied to grow old and pass away, "After those days". I guess you have not been taught this by your adopted religion, but Jesus is God's High Priest now. And we are now under a New Priesthood, "After the Order of Melchizedek".
So if I sacrificed animals for my sins "today", I would be "guilty" of transgressing the Law of Moses.
Duet. 18: 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words "which he shall speak in my name", I will require it of him.
So to obey the Law of Moses, I was to abide by the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices and burnt offerings for sin, until God's Prophesied NEW High Priest came. And then I was to listen to Him, as to how to be forgiven.
Perhaps your religious sect didn't teach this to you either, but Jesus didn't tell me to offer sacrificial animals to the Levite Priest to provide for the forgiveness of my sins.
So no, I do not offer animal sacrifices for my sins today, because that would be against the Law and Moses, who commanded "that I listen to the New High Priest when HE gets here".
Perhaps you should consider "Yielding yourself" a servant to obey God, instead of this world religions. If you did, you wouldn't be asking such foolish and stupid questions.
You have no clue about God, His Son, God's Laws, the Law and Prophets, etc. Only those who didn't believe Moses and the Prophets, would still sacrifice animals for their sins, after the Prophesied Priest of God has come.
You are still persuaded that refusing to kill goats for my sins, is somehow against God's Commandants. I almost feel sorry for you that this is the case. But then, Jesus did say:
Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they "hear not Moses" and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This is true no doubt, and written in the Holy Scriptures. But taking a goat to a Levite priest and killing it for my sins today, would be in direct violation of the Law of Moses I posted, and a direct spit in the face of God who Loved me so much as to give me His only begotten Son. And a Spit in the face of the Jesus "of the Bible", who Moses said would come and commanded that I should listen to Him. Who offered His Own Blood once and for all, just as Jeremiah prophesied.
So now what JLB? Will you completely ignore God's Words shown to you here, like you did the last two replies of yours, and move on to the next fallacy?
The reason that I read your post and then disagree is because I have taken the time to study up on it.
Aaron
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I thought you would never ask. I have a long and shout answer. Lets go for the long. It starts with Jesus and what He taught in His three year ministry.That makes 3 !
And I do believe we all agree.
I think this is a small miracle !!
So, Aaron,,,what do YOU think it means??
I have noticed that a lot of times when Jesus was asked a question He would answer with a question of His own. One that would make you stop and think. Then once He has your attention His teaching sums up some deep spiritual truth.
For us Matthew 5:48 is a call to make Christ’s standard a way of life as we obey His teachings. Life is about nothing if not about choices. From the moment we rise until the time we go to sleep, life is all about choosing. And it’s the collection of little, daily choices that eventually reveals what our “big” choices are. Choosing to follow Christ in the little things is evidence that we have given Him our whole heart.
15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord
Joshua 24:15.
MTMattie
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Please explain: Romans 5:12 NASB95 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
1 Corinthians 15:21-22
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. / For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Eternally-Grateful
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