Excellent Discussion on OSAS

Anyone can fall into sin and walk away form God, but when they come to their scenes they come back home.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

12“What do you think? If a man has one hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine, go to the mountains, and seek that which has gone astray? 13If he finds it, most certainly I tell you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. Matthew 18:12-13


In Luke 15:12, the younger son asks his father for his share of his estate, which would have been half of what his older brother would receive (see Deuteronomy 21:17). In other words, the younger son asked for 1/3 of the estate. Though it was perfectly within his rights to ask, it was not a loving thing to do, as it implied that he wished his father dead. Instead of rebuking his son, the father patiently grants him his request. This is a picture of God letting a sinner go his own way (Deuteronomy 30:19).

Like the prodigal son, we all possess a foolish ambition to be independent, which is at the root of the sinner persisting in his sin (Genesis 3:6; Romans 1:28). A sinful state is a departure and distance from God (Romans 1:21). A sinful state is also a place of constant discontent. In Luke 12:15 Jesus says, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” The younger son in the parable learned the hard way that covetousness leads to a life of dissatisfaction and disappointment. He also learned that the most valuable things in life are the things we cannot buy or replace.

In Luke 15:13 the younger son travels to a distant country. It is evident from his previous actions that he had already made that journey in his heart, and the physical departure was a display of his willful disobedience to all the goodness his father had offered (Proverbs 27:19; Matthew 6:21; 12:34). In the foreign land, the prodigal squanders all his inheritance on selfish, shallow fulfillment, losing everything. His financial disaster is followed by a natural disaster in the form of a famine, which he failed to plan for. At this point he hires himself out to a Gentile and finds himself feeding pigs, a detestable job to the Jewish people (Leviticus 11:7). Needless to say, the prodigal must have been incredibly desperate to willingly take such a loathsome position. He was paid so little and grew so hungry that he longed to eat the pig’s food. To top it off, he could find no mercy among the people he had chosen as his own: “No one gave him anything” (verse 16). Apparently, once his wealth was gone, so were his friends. Even the unclean animals were better off than he was at that point.

The prodigal son toiling in the pig pen is a picture of the lost sinner or a rebellious Christian who has returned to a life of sin (2 Peter 2:19–21). The results of sin are never pretty (James 1:14–15).

The prodigal son begins to reflect on his miserable condition, and “he came to his senses” (Luke 15:17). He realizes that even his father’s servants have it better. His painful circumstances help him to see his father in a new light. Hope begins to dawn in his heart (Psalm 147:11; Isaiah 40:30–31; 1 Timothy 4:10).

The prodigal’s realization is reflective of the sinner’s discovery that, apart from God, there is no hope (Ephesians 2:12; 2 Timothy 2:25–26). When a sinner “comes to his senses,” repentance follows, along with a longing to return to fellowship with God.

The son devises a plan of action, and it shows that his repentance was genuine. He will admit his sin (Luke 15:18), and he will give up his rights as a son and take on the position of a servant (verse 19). He realizes he has no right to a blessing from his father, and he has nothing to offer his father except a life of service. Returning home, the prodigal son is prepared to fall at his father’s feet and beg for mercy.

In the same way, a repentant sinner coming to God is keenly aware of his own spiritual poverty. Laying aside all pride and feelings of entitlement, he brings nothing of value with him. The sinner’s only thought is to cast himself at the mercy of God and beg for a position of servitude (1 John 1:9; Romans 6:6–18; 12:1).

Not everyone comes back to their senses.
What does the Prodigal Son teach?

Does it teach that the PS became lost after he left home?
 
Meaning what ?

Meaning OSAS of course!!!!!!!!

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But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness.
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. 8:12 NKJ)

oops next hope that helps end of discussion
 
Matt 8 the context

The sons of the kingdom refers to the Jewish people who were the initial recipients of God's promises but are at risk of missing out on the kingdom due to unbelief

When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
 
Not everyone comes back to their senses.
What does the Prodigal Son teach?

Does it teach that the PS became lost after he left home?
How do you know?

Who are you to criticize someone else’s servant? The Lord will determine whether his servant has been successful. The servant will be successful because the Lord makes him successful.
Romans 14:4

 
How do you know?

Who are you to criticize someone else’s servant? The Lord will determine whether his servant has been successful. The servant will be successful because the Lord makes him successful.
Romans 14:4

How do I know what?
Who am I criticizing?


And I'm not really interested in reading links.
Just state what you wish to state.
 
But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness.
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. 8:12 NKJ)

oops next hope that helps end of discussion
That speaks of those of Israel who believe that they belong to God because they are descendants of Abraham, who will be sorely disappointed. They knew God, being of His people, but rejected Him. They will suffer greatly, due to their knowledge and what they have done.

I believe OSAS is a heresy, however, I believe that eternal security founded in God is what scripture teaches. If one is truly saved, a true believer, then God will keep them in their faith. (Jude 34-35.) Jesus speaks to those people who basically come and say, we're here. You're true people. Look what we did, and we did in your name. All these great things. Jesus tells them that He NEVER knew them. Why? They were never saved to begin with. They deceived themselves. It isn't name dropping, or who you claim to know, but who knows you. John in I John says that they left us to show that they were NEVER of us. Why does he say that. He says that if they were of us (believers) they would have stayed.

The most important question to ask when it comes to eternal security (again I believe OSAS is a heresy) is, were they saved in the first place. Jesus saying He never knew them goes to show that whatever conversion they showed was false.

In Hebrews, those who tasted of the life are those who were in the church, and by being in the church "tasted" of the blessings of God poured out on the church. They are not part of the church because they aren't saved, but have tasted of the blessings that were poured on the church. The author of Hebrews is telling them to repent and be saved before it is too late. If the reject and walk away, then there is no place of repentance for them, for God will not sacrifice His son a second time. If Jesus sacrifice was not good enough for you, there is nothing else that can save you. Don't reject. Don't trample the Son of God underfoot. Believe and be saved.
 
That speaks of those of Israel who believe that they belong to God because they are descendants of Abraham, who will be sorely disappointed. They knew God, being of His people, but rejected Him. They will suffer greatly, due to their knowledge and what they have done.

I believe OSAS is a heresy, however, I believe that eternal security founded in God is what scripture teaches. If one is truly saved, a true believer, then God will keep them in their faith. (Jude 34-35.) Jesus speaks to those people who basically come and say, we're here. You're true people. Look what we did, and we did in your name. All these great things. Jesus tells them that He NEVER knew them. Why? They were never saved to begin with. They deceived themselves. It isn't name dropping, or who you claim to know, but who knows you. John in I John says that they left us to show that they were NEVER of us. Why does he say that. He says that if they were of us (believers) they would have stayed.

The most important question to ask when it comes to eternal security (again I believe OSAS is a heresy) is, were they saved in the first place. Jesus saying He never knew them goes to show that whatever conversion they showed was false.

In Hebrews, those who tasted of the life are those who were in the church, and by being in the church "tasted" of the blessings of God poured out on the church. They are not part of the church because they aren't saved, but have tasted of the blessings that were poured on the church. The author of Hebrews is telling them to repent and be saved before it is too late. If the reject and walk away, then there is no place of repentance for them, for God will not sacrifice His son a second time. If Jesus sacrifice was not good enough for you, there is nothing else that can save you. Don't reject. Don't trample the Son of God underfoot. Believe and be saved.
Well said
 
He was always a son, but a lost son, which is why he was dead.
the "culture" in that day considered those like Jesus described in the story to be dead to the family for disgracing them. But the Father in the story was not like the culture in that day. The other son was right to be upset because his culture taught him to be and he was justified in his feelings and was right to be upset from his "cultures" POV.

But the Father in this story represents our heavenly Father, not the way the fathers were in that culture.

hope this helps !!!
 
the "culture" in that day considered those like Jesus described in the story to be dead to the family for disgracing them. But the Father in the story was not like the culture in that day. The other son was right to be upset because his culture taught him to be and he was justified in his feelings and was right to be upset from his "cultures" POV.

But the Father in this story represents our heavenly Father, not the way the fathers were in that culture.

hope this helps !!!
Even the father states that his son was dead, but has now come back to life (Luke 15:24). Yes, the father was looking for him to come home, but until he did he was dead to the town, dead to the brother, and dead to the father. But when he returned he came back to life.
 
Even the father states that his son was dead, but has now come back to life (Luke 15:24). Yes, the father was looking for him to come home, but until he did he was dead to the town, dead to the brother, and dead to the father. But when he returned he came back to life.
he was not spiritually or physically dead. he was considered positionally dead by the "culture".

remember no one was born again having spiritual life until after Jesus Resurrection.
 
he was not spiritually or physically dead. he was considered positionally dead by the "culture".

remember no one was born again having spiritual life until after Jesus Resurrection.
Abraham was declared righteous (born again, spiritually alive) long before Jesus' resurrection, on the basis of Jesus' resurrection in the future.

The prodigal son was spiritually dead, and considered physically dead by the culture. But he was resurrected through his return. The father declared him returned to life.
 
But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness.
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. 8:12 NKJ)

oops next hope that helps end of discussion
The phrase "sons of the kingdom" here is a Jewish term for the nation of Israel. This is not referring to born again Christians losing their salvation. Being born into the nation of Israel will not guarantee someone a place in heaven, as was commonly thought among the Jewish people. Instead, Jesus is emphasizing that faith in Him, faith like that of the Roman centurion will be the deciding factor about who is allowed into the kingdom.
 
Abraham was declared righteous (born again, spiritually alive) long before Jesus' resurrection, on the basis of Jesus' resurrection in the future.

The prodigal son was spiritually dead, and considered physically dead by the culture. But he was resurrected through his return. The father declared him returned to life.
nowhere does the bible say they were born again in the OT. That only occurs at Pentecost and after.

And IMHO you are reading to much into the text. Your view is the same as the calvinists pov.
 

“Once Saved, Always Saved”​

Is a very popular mantra of easy-believism that turns the grace of God into lasciviousness, by promising eternal life to those who are living in sins. based upon a one time decision to accept Christ. It has absolutely no biblical support as it is preached by many.

The God of heaven will not lose one single sheep that he has chosen, all shall inherit eternal life, not one will miss the inheritance promised to them, for the gifts and calling of God are indeed without repentance, per Romans 11:29.

Romans 11:29​

“For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”

But the concept of “once saved, always saved,” based on decisional regeneration that obligates God rather than God’s work of grace leading to godly evidence, is wrong in both phrases. Please consider for the scriptural proofs!

What does “once saved” mean?​

It is used by those who think salvation is merely a choice and recitation of a prayer. Rather than believing God’s sovereign will and work in salvation, they teach the heresy of decisional regeneration – sinners in the flesh decide when God must save them, contrary to the Bible (John 1:13; 3:6-8; 5:21,25-29,39; Rom 8:7-8; 9:15-16; Gal 5:17; Eph 2:1-3; Jas 1:18). They limit salvation to the moment they decided to be saved. This includes the inventions of “going forward” and/or “inviting Jesus into my heart.” They look at this date as the “once saved” event that counts. This is the gospel of false prophets!

What does “always saved” mean?​

For those who pin salvation on their decision, it means salvation cannot be taken away or lost, no matter how they live. “Always saved” guarantees salvation, regardless of what happens later, whether they live a holy and righteous life or one of sin without fruit or good works. This is unscriptural and inconsistent! The Bible does not guarantee salvation to those living wickedly; the only assurance of salvation is by good works (Ps 15:1-5; Matt 7:21-23; John 8:31-32; II Cor 5:17; Phil 2:12-16; Titus 3:8; Jas 1:26-27; I John 2:4; 3:10).

Folks who preach "Once saved, always saved" do not properly divide or give the biblical sense to save/saved/salvation.

These folks apply salvation in only one sense, a salvation from a burning hell, when actually it is very seldom used in that sense. Maybe more on this later, since we just recently went over this point in another thread. I will only say this, salvation is used in a practical sense much more than in a vital sense in the scriptures ~and in this sense we can lose a salvation promised to faithful, sincere, godly believers.

Can a decision save a person?​

No! Decisional regeneration was invented by Charles Finney and popularized by Billy Graham, who reduced salvation to a few words repeated as a salvation mantra. This idea is not taught in the Bible. Today, they even debate whether a person must admit Jesus is lord! They take Rev 3:20 from the church at Laodicea for fellowship and apply it to sinners for eternal life! The real issue is God’s choice to accept us in Jesus Christ (Rom 9:15-16,21-24; Gal 4:9; Eph 1:3-6).

But I thought I chose to be saved?​

You thought wrong. The Bible never encourages you to trust a past decision you made. Even Paul’s confidence for eternal life was in fighting a good fight, finishing his course, and keeping the faith (II Tim 4:7-8). He knew whom he had believed, not that he had believed, and not when he had believed (II Tim 1:12)! Faith in God is no more than devilish faith (Jas 2:19), but faith in your faith is more profane (Rom 9:15-16)! You are saved from condemnation by your position in Christ, to which you were chosen, and which is proven by godliness (Rom 8:1; Eph 1:3-6).

Can a child of God lose his salvation?​

No, a child of God can never lose heaven and end up in the lake of fire, which IS the second death. He may lose earthly benefits of knowing and living the truth, but his name will stay in the book of life. God predestinated His elect to adoption as sons through the purchase price of Jesus Christ’s death (Gal 4:4-6; Eph 1:3-6). Jesus Christ will stand before God and present every one of them to God (Heb 2:13). It is impossible for even one to be separated from God’s love (Rom 8:28-39). It is God’s faithfulness that keeps them, not their faithfulness. He will never repent of His gift of eternal life (Rom 11:29). Read Psalms 89!

What the scriptures DO teach is Once LOVED, ALWAYS LOVED!

Psalms 89: 19-37~"Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him. The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.
 

Can a child of God lose his salvation?​

No, a child of God can never lose heaven and end up in the lake of fire, which IS the second death. He may lose earthly benefits of knowing and living the truth, but his name will stay in the book of life. God predestinated His elect to adoption as sons through the purchase price of Jesus Christ’s death (Gal 4:4-6; Eph 1:3-6). Jesus Christ will stand before God and present every one of them to God (Heb 2:13). It is impossible for even one to be separated from God’s love (Rom 8:28-39). It is God’s faithfulness that keeps them, not their faithfulness. He will never repent of His gift of eternal life (Rom 11:29). Read Psalms 89!

What the scriptures DO teach is Once LOVED, ALWAYS LOVED!
So if one was saved then they will always be saved right ?

Eternal Life is permanent right ?

Once you are born again you can never become unborn right ?
 
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