Excellent Discussion on OSAS
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praise_yeshua
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Knowing and having truth are two different things.
Christ died for humanity. Devils don't have that. That is why they "tremble" in expectation of judgement.
praise_yeshua
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Ah, but you HAVE changed your position, haven't you.
You just kept SOME of it.
You might want to consider knowing the differences and abandon some of "their" teachings yourself. It shows that you've
"worked out your own salvation".....
Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
civic
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Not regarding eternal lifeAh, but you HAVE changed your position, haven't you.
You just kept SOME of it.
Dizerner
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No, I reject every single Calvinist distinctive, including the loss of free will after salvation.
praise_yeshua
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Your view of "original sin" is Total Depravity.
Dizerner
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That's not a Calvinist distinctive.
More non-Calvinists accept the sin nature than Calvinists.
Jesus' view was "no one is good."
praise_yeshua
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Abraham rejoiced to see "MY DAY'.....
What do you think "T" stands for? Like I said, you believe in Total Depravity.
Dizerner
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Not your day, lol.
Jesus' day.
T is not a Calvinist distinctive.
More non-Calvinists believe in T than Calvinists.
Jesus' view was "no one is good," which is T.
Reads like a rare case of NOSAS.
Doug Brents
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It is not a rare case. All through Scripture we find that if we continually walk in His Light, we are continually cleansed of all sin. But if we reject the Light, we cease to be cleansed. David committed adultery, and then murdered the husband of the woman he got pregnant. But he was not condemned because as soon as he was confronted with his sin he immediately turned back to God. Judas on the other hand, when he was confronted with his sin, turned to more sin in murdering himself.
civic
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No one taught that until Augustine
Eternally-Grateful
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lol typical catholic type of response.
The argument was strong in the NT, When paul apposed the NT legalists trying to insert their righteousness with the gospel as a means of salvation..
But your too busy trying to fight a doctrine of a person, not the words of the lord
Eternally-Grateful
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calvinist believe there has never been free will.
If your going to fight someone, at lease try to understand what they believe
mailmandan
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In regard to 1 John 1:7, believers were (past tense) once/formerly darkness but are now light in the Lord and we are to walk as children of light. (Ephesians 5:8) Walking in darkness is 'descriptive' of children of the devil. Walking in the light is 'descriptive' of children of God.
*Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.
*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is 'descriptive' of children of the devil. *HERMENEUTICS.
Doug Brents
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Indeed, we are to WALK in the Light, not sit idly by. And if those who were once walking in Light, cease to walk in Light, then they cease to be cleansed by Christ.
praise_yeshua
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It was a quote of what Jesus said. You mentioned Jesus. I responded in context to your claim.
Again. Jesus said that Abraham was good. In fact, Jesus said John the Baptist was good. "The greatest born among woman".
I mentioned to another here that all of this revolves around how people see themselves relative to election. Election is a very important doctrine. "T" comes from Calvin and ultimately Augustine in Christianity. Many people claim Augustine.
Just making the point of how people conflate. "T" is most assuredly "Calvinistic" relative to the so called "Reformation" period. Luther and Calvin disagreed on election.
Either way things are not as simple as they appear. When someone says they've always believed something, there is no need to start "parsing" words to try to prove your point. My view of election hasn't always been the same but I have long believed in corporate election. It is one of the reasons I have avoided DTS and Daniel Wallace in my choices in life.
We're all complicated.
Eternally-Grateful
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this is putting people back under the law you might as well go back to OT times and start sacrificing animals again. Because Christ will not come to be sacrificed again
Dizerner
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You've already been thoroughly debunked on that urban legend.
It is entirely and completely dishonest of you to continue to spread a lie.
Dizerner
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Edit by Admin those verses do not say human are fundamentally good, rather righteous as a gift of faith.
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