Even in John 1, Jesus is not God

[Wrangler]

So it's a common fact for unitarians to preexist thousands of years, even before being born?

I don't know how common it is known but if it is a revealed fact for the nature of one man, there is no reason to suppose it does not apply to all men. Consider this

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you
Jeremiah 1:5

While the verse is referring to Jeremiah and his role as prophet, people commonly extrapolate that to God knowing all of us before I AM born. See what I did there?

 

[Wrangler]

There are three persons in the One God!

Except no verse says anything like that. In fact, it goes against 1,000's of verses that show God as a singular being.

 

[Wrangler]

are you really understanding what you're saying? a man pre-existed? no flesh and blood pre-existed before creation.

101G.

Right. Being a son, it means Jesus is a created being. This is true even if he was the first thing God created.

 

[101G]

Right. Being a son, it means Jesus is a created being. This is true even if he was the first thing God created.

post scripture to the son being a created being.

101G

 

[civic]

Through him is he himself in the ECHAD. Doug did you not read Isaiah 44:24? he was "ALONE". again listen to what q01G say and how he say it... "Jesus the Christ made NOTHING, but Jesus made ALL THINGS". did you understand what I said?

John 1:3 is the same One Person in Isaiah 44:24. as well as Proverbs 16:4 "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

101G.

There was no " Jesus " before His physical birth as a man. That is His human name. He was known as the Eternal Son/ the Word, YHWH, Lord of Glory, Adonai and many other names/titles prior but not Jesus.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Right. Being a son, it means Jesus is a created being. This is true even if he was the first thing God created.

And being a father makes one a created being.

and in one sentence your argument collapses just like that.


hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

There was no " Jesus " before His physical birth as a man. That is His human name. He was known as the Eternal Son/ the Word, YHWH, Lord of Glory, Adonai and many other names/titles prior but not Jesus.

ERROR, the Name Jesus was here before the flesh he came in. supportive scripture, Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."

He was known as the Eternal Son/ the Word, YHWH, Lord of Glory, Adonai and many other names/titles prior but not Jesus.

try the Name ...... "My Salvation"...... (smile) .....

101G.

 

[civic]

ERROR, the Name Jesus was here before the flesh he came in. supportive scripture, Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."

try the Name ...... "My Salvation"...... (smile) .....

101G.

His name will be called Jesus. There was no one named Jesus prior to His conception in Mary's womb. That is His human name given to Him at His birth lust like your human name given to you at your birth. The difference you didn't exist prior to your birth as God.

 

[Wrangler]

post scripture to the son being a created being.

101G

Definition. Jesus is explicitly called the son many times. Each invocation references a created being. Every time!

This shows the extent of trinitarian IDOLATRY. You use words but want to change their meaning in application, e.g., one God means more than one person, dead means not dead, a container is what it contains, a reflection or image is what it reflects, etc.

 

[101G]

His name will be called Jesus. There was no one named Jesus prior to His conception in Mary's womb. That is His human name given to Him at His birth lust like your human name given to you at your birth. The difference you didn't exist prior to your birth as God.

if you're a little confused as to what Name is from "My Salvation". the Name of God was HIDDEN, in the OT, because he had not yet come .... drum roll please, ......in Flesh. the Name of God was here before the Heavens and the Earth was made. Listen, and Learn. 101G got this revelation of the Holy Spirit from a Hebrew teacher.
all throughout the bible, when the term or phrase used, "My Salvation" it means,
H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
1. something saved.
2. (abstractly) the act or instance of saving or rescuing a soul.
3. (hence) protective aid, victory, prosperity.
4. custodial salvation (that is, in the protective, custodial care of another).
5. (specially) custodial Salvation through the Anointed-One, Yeshua.
[feminine passive participle of H3467]
KJV: deliverance, health, help(-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Root(s): H3467

did he not tell us? listen, John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."

how easy this is when the TEACHER is God himself. Who name did he come in? the Father Name.

now listen and learn again, Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."
shall is a future tense designation. and when did that future tense come........ when "God" himself came in flesh, said, "I am he" well 101G, let's see it. ok, here it is, John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." BINGO, there he is "I AM HE". and who was speaking? Yeshua ... "My Salvation". my God this is too easy.

101G.

 

[101G]

Definition. Jesus is explicitly called the son many times. Each invocation references a created being. Every time!

did 101G ask you that? 101G asked where in the bible do it say the Son is a created... now post that scripture please.


now as a created being you shot yourself in the foot just as Civic said, ,listen and Learn. 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
hello ...... anyone HOME?
101G.

 

[civic]

if you're a little confused as to what Name is from "My Salvation". the Name of God was HIDDEN, in the OT, because he had not yet come .... drum roll please, ......in Flesh. the Name of God was here before the Heavens and the Earth was made. Listen, and Learn. 101G got this revelation of the Holy Spirit from a Hebrew teacher.
all throughout the bible, when the term or phrase used, "My Salvation" it means,
H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
1. something saved.
2. (abstractly) the act or instance of saving or rescuing a soul.
3. (hence) protective aid, victory, prosperity.
4. custodial salvation (that is, in the protective, custodial care of another).
5. (specially) custodial Salvation through the Anointed-One, Yeshua.
[feminine passive participle of H3467]
KJV: deliverance, health, help(-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Root(s): H3467

did he not tell us? listen, John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."

how easy this is when the TEACHER is God himself. Who name did he come in? the Father Name.

now listen and learn again, Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I."
shall is a future tense designation. and when did that future tense come........ when "God" himself came in flesh, said, "I am he" well 101G, let's see it. ok, here it is, John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." BINGO, there he is "I AM HE". and who was speaking? Yeshua ... "My Salvation". my God this is too easy.

101G.

Eisegesis

 

[101G]

Eisegesis

so we can take this as you cannot follow TRUTH? ............ Exegesis, (smile) Lol, Lol,

if 101G is in ERROR then point it OUT..... (smile), cain't wait.

now don't you used this truth.... ok....

101G.

 

[civic]

so we can take this as you cannot follow TRUTH? ............ Exegesis, (smile) Lol, Lol,

if 101G is in ERROR then point it OUT..... (smile), cain't wait.

now don't you used this truth.... ok....

101G.

He was known as the Son, YHWH, Adonai, Lord, Creator and other names before He became a man. Jesus is His human name.

TRUTH prevails.

In Matthew 1:18–21 Joseph was visited by an angel through a dream and was instructed to marry Mary. Joseph was of a mind to divorce her quietly, saving her from public disgrace, thinking she had become pregnant by another man. Yet the angel reassured Joseph that her pregnancy was from the Holy Spirit. Joseph was told, “Do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:20–21).
Joseph and Mary were both instructed by God through angels to name the child miraculously conceived Jesus (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31). The angel specifically told Joseph why they were to name Him Jesus.

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

Definition. Jesus is explicitly called the son many times.

now let 101G help you out. Son here is not biological. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words the term here "Son" in reference to God is that It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics, or character.
A. descendants, without reference to sex.

B. those who act in a certain way, whether evil, or good.

C. those who manifest a certain character, whether evil or good.

do you understand?

101G.

 

[101G]

He was known as the Son, YHWH, Adonai, Lord, Creator and other names before He became a man. Jesus is His human name.

what is he now? for was it not foretold? Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

Joseph and Mary were both instructed by God through angels to name the child miraculously conceived Jesus (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31). The angel specifically told Joseph why they were to name Him Jesus

you made my point..... (smile). and what do Jesus Means? "HE SAVES", Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."
now civic, who came and 'SAVED" us......... drum roll "God", read Isaiah 35:4 again....... Oh this is just 2 easy.

101G

 

[civic]

what is he now? for was it not foretold? Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

you made my point..... (smile). and what do Jesus Means? "HE SAVES", Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."
now civic, who came and 'SAVED" us......... drum roll "God", read Isaiah 35:4 again....... Oh this is just 2 easy.

101G

Biblical Truth = Exegesis

In Matthew 1:18–21 Joseph was visited by an angel through a dream and was instructed to marry Mary. Joseph was of a mind to divorce her quietly, saving her from public disgrace, thinking she had become pregnant by another man. Yet the angel reassured Joseph that her pregnancy was from the Holy Spirit. Joseph was told, “Do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:20–21).
Joseph and Mary were both instructed by God through angels to name the child miraculously conceived Jesus (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31). The angel specifically told Joseph why they were to name Him Jesus.

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

to all especially @civic
where do the Name JESUS, or YESHUA come from. it is the Strong's #(H3442), look this Strong’s number up. it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
1. he will save.
2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel.
[for H3091]
KJV: Jeshua.
Root(s): H3091

in the Greek, it's G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (ee-ay-sous`) n/p.
1.Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua) of Hebrew origin (H3091)
2.KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3091
now lets trace the roots, from H3091, which gets its origins from H3068 which originates from H1961 הָיָה hayah, or “I AM”.
H3068 יְהוֹוָה Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw') n/p.
1. (the) self-Existent or Eternal
2. Jehovah, Jewish national name of God
3. (anglicized) Jehovah.
4. (as a name prefix) Yeho-.
5. (As expressed in Hebraic Koine Greek) ἐγώ εἰμί, I AM (literally: I myself, I am).
[from H1961]
KJV: Jehovah, the Lord.

is this enough exegesis for you..... (smile)..... ... LOL, LOL, LOL, ... Oh dear

101G.

 

[101G]

@civic,
this is basic bible study. you did not have a clue that God Name is "JESUS", yes the Father in the OT. now revealed in the NT.

also you now have a dilemma, the Son is the LORD in Flesh...... again, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" which you still do not understand. the ONE "God" is LORD and Lord in Ordinal designations in the ECHAD.... Oh my. and those Ordinal designations, are in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and or "RANK", just as the Hebrew term "BEGINNING" in Genesis 1:1 clearly states. Oh my

101G.

 

[101G]

@Wrangler,
are you getting this too? JESUS is your OT God in the ECHAD as ONE PERSON....... see Jesus as Ordinal First is Father/CREATOR, and MAKER OF ALL THINGS, per Isaiah 44:24, and John 1:3.... (smile). see, this is why 101G said, Jesus the "Christ", made nothing. 101G was not lying. but JESUS did. Oh my God, this bible is Just too easy not to understand.

W... we suggest you re-read post #570 and 578 again, over, and over.

101G.