Even in John 1, Jesus is not God

[APAK]

is this not the unitarian view? the Lord Jesus is a just a man a sheliaḥ of God.

now think before you answer, if you say the Lord Jesus is not a mere man, then he will be either an Angel...... (smile), which the JW use to believe, or he, (the Lord Jesus himself) ...... is "God". and that will address 1 Timothy 3:16. 101G warn you to think before you answer.

101G.

Not hardly. A human being born with the Spirit of his Father within him is not a mere man by any stretch of the imagination. You do not believe that his Father's Spirit dwelt and still dwells within him? He has the mind and the attachment of his of his Father's God.

John 1:18 speaks to this very close relationship they have together, even today.

(Joh 1:18) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made Him known. (NEV)

So I go with the scriptural 3rd and only viable option that the human Yahshua, with only one nature as a human person, and with his own individual spirit, lives in his Father's Spirit as he did at birth and today. And you do not believe this as the word of God and would rather believe in lies.

You warning is empty as usual. I suggest you read scripture for what it really says, in context, without adding to it and running off with the imagination of other men.

 

[101G]

Not hardly. A human being born with the Spirit of his Father within him is not a mere man by any stretch of the imagination. You do not believe that his Father's Spirit dwelt and still dwells within him? He has the mind and the attachment of his of his Father's God.

Your first mistake of the day. the "Spirit" in that body called the Christ is EQUAL WITH, not EQUAL TO, but EQUAL WITH God. meaning in the ECHAD that he is God himself. so all this "A human being born with the Spirit of his Father within him is not a mere man" now correction, no human man, repeat, no human man have the Spirit of God as his Father from his, his, Human Natural biological Birth Parents. now if you do post Book Chapter and verse. but first you better read how 101G worded what he said.

You do not believe that his Father's Spirit dwelt and still dwells within him?

we suggest you read what I just said above...... (smile).

He has the mind and the attachment of his of his Father's God.

again see above...... (smile).

John 1:18 speaks to this very close relationship they have together, even today.

that was not what 101G asked. now try again.

(Joh 1:18) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made Him known. (NEV)

since you want to go there, John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." cannot wait for you to reply to that.

So I go with the scriptural 3rd and only viable option that the human Yahshua, with only one nature as a human person, and with his own individual spirit, lives in his Father's Spirit as he did at birth and today.

ERROR, now you have run out of options, A. you said, "with only one nature as a human person, and with his own individual spirit". Second ERROR of the DAY, ....... "his own induvial spirit?" let's see what the bible say about this. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" being is present tense, and "Form" here is nature. G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

and the Nature of God is "Spirit", per John 4:24a.. note Spirit is chaptalized. and if chaptalized how is he EQUAL WITH GOD, and not EQUAL TO GOD.... please find out the difference..... and if you don't KNOW just as 101G...... (smile).

B. your Third ERROR of the Day, you said, "with only one nature as a human person" listen and Learn. Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." (SMILE), lol, lol, lol, he is God before, before, before, he took on.... and do you know what took on means. before he "TOOK ON Flesh he is "Spirit", and there is ONLY "ONE" Spirit..... guess who that is? that's right God. I really didn't know that the unitarians was so messed up.

lives in his Father's Spirit as he did at birth and today.

fourth ERROR of the DAY. Listen and Learn..... spirits are not born..... hello, anyone home? they are Given,,,, Oh my God. flesh bone and blood is BORN. let 101G in the Lord Jesus show you plainly. Example #1. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" spirits are Given, women don't birth spirits. spirits are immaterial.

Example #3. concerning the Lord Jesus, bright as day. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

see it now? a Child is ...... "BORN", flesh bone and Blood. a son is ..... "GIVEN", spirit. the same way we all come into this world.

And you do not believe this as the word of God and would rather believe in lies.

see above....... (smile).

You warning is empty as usual.

see above.

suggest you read scripture for what it really says, in context, without adding to it and running off with the imagination of other men.

again see all the above..... (smile).

as for you suggestion, let the bible make a suggestion for us all. Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

now try again, as said, I really didn't know how messed up the Unitarian doctrine really is. well no different from the trinitarian doctrine.

101G.

 

[APAK]

Your first mistake of the day. the "Spirit" in that body called the Christ is EQUAL WITH, not EQUAL TO, but EQUAL WITH God. meaning in the ECHAD that he is God himself. so all this "A human being born with the Spirit of his Father within him is not a mere man" now correction, no human man, repeat, no human man have the Spirit of God as his Father from his, his, Human Natural biological Birth Parents. now if you do post Book Chapter and verse. but first you better read how 101G worded what he said.

we suggest you read what I just said above...... (smile).

again see above...... (smile).

that was not what 101G asked. now try again.

since you want to go there, John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." cannot wait for you to reply to that.

ERROR, now you have run out of options, A. you said, "with only one nature as a human person, and with his own individual spirit". Second ERROR of the DAY, ....... "his own induvial spirit?" let's see what the bible say about this. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" being is present tense, and "Form" here is nature. G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

and the Nature of God is "Spirit", per John 4:24a.. note Spirit is chaptalized. and if chaptalized how is he EQUAL WITH GOD, and not EQUAL TO GOD.... please find out the difference..... and if you don't KNOW just as 101G...... (smile).

B. your Third ERROR of the Day, you said, "with only one nature as a human person" listen and Learn. Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." (SMILE), lol, lol, lol, he is God before, before, before, he took on.... and do you know what took on means. before he "TOOK ON Flesh he is "Spirit", and there is ONLY "ONE" Spirit..... guess who that is? that's right God. I really didn't know that the unitarians was so messed up.


fourth ERROR of the DAY. Listen and Learn..... spirits are not born..... hello, anyone home? they are Given,,,, Oh my God. flesh bone and blood is BORN. let 101G in the Lord Jesus show you plainly. Example #1. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" spirits are Given, women don't birth spirits. spirits are immaterial.

Example #3. concerning the Lord Jesus, bright as day. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

see it now? a Child is ...... "BORN", flesh bone and Blood. a son is ..... "GIVEN", spirit. the same way we all come into this world.

see above....... (smile).

see above.

again see all the above..... (smile).

as for you suggestion, let the bible make a suggestion for us all. Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

now try again, as said, I really didn't know how messed up the Unitarian doctrine really is. well no different from the trinitarian doctrine.

101G.

In such knots and a ball confusion again. When will you get it all straightened out?
And then your typical nonsense..." Your first mistake of the day. the "Spirit" in that body called the Christ is EQUAL WITH, not EQUAL TO, but EQUAL WITH God."...such craziness. where's this equality to and with, all coning from; your mind not mine...adding your words as mine is so typical of you.

'Spirit is that body call the Christ'....too funny are you really serious here?!

Where does scripture even remotely suggest that the Spirit of the Father God is equal with any human spirit? Nonsense!

 

[Johann]

Another clear issue with using ‘God’ for the Greek word ‘euebias,’ is that if we just keep reading further into the verse, it says that God was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the Gentiles, was believed on in the world, and he was received into glory. This would be nonsense as Christ did all these things and not his Father. Unless one wants to use circular logic and say Jesus is God because God who is really Jesus did all these things in the verse, and not just the man and the anointed of God, is Son, Yahshua.

Nice try--

"He who was revealed in the flesh"
NKJV"God was manifested in the flesh"
NRSV"He was revealed in flesh"
TEV"He appeared in human form"
NJB"He was made visible in the flesh"

This speaks of the Incarnation (birth) of Jesus Christ at Bethlehem: His life, teachings, death, and resurrection, which fully reveal the Father (cf. John 1:14-18). There is also the strong inference of His pre-existence (cf. John 1:1-5; 8:57-58; 2 Cor. 8:4; Phil. 2:6; Col. 1:17). This is the central truth of the Gospels about Jesus Christ, that He was fully God and fully human (cf. John 1:14; Phil. 2:6-8; Col. 1:14-16; 1 John 4:1-6).

There is a later Greek manuscript variant in which the relative pronoun hos (MSS א, A, C, F, G; UBS4 gives this an "A" rating [certain]) is changed to theos. This later change may have occurred

1. with the confusion over OC (the abbreviations in uncial Greek for who) read as H C (the abbreviation in uncial Greek for "God") or

2. as a purposeful theological change by later scribes (cf. MSS אc, Ac, C2, and D2) wanting to make the text more specific against the adoptionist heresies (cf. Bart D. Ehrman, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, pp. 77-78)

 

[APAK]

You do not make any grammar sense APAK. Here's why:

For argument's sake, let's go with your "He" version (ESV):

(1 Tim 3:15) if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.
(1 Tim 3:16) Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

If we accept this reading then the antecedent of "He" (or "who" in some versions) is "the living God", namely, the living God was manifested in flesh.

Thus, the difference in the manuscripts of single stroke (OΣ vs. ΘΣ) makes no difference to the message nor theology: the living God was manifested in flesh.

Lastly and most important, if God was the Word (John 1:1) and Word became flesh (John 1:14) then for sure God was manifested in flesh.

Scripture, verse 15, does not say that 'the living God was manifested in the flesh' at all.

The context and meaning suggests that the church is of the living God, and it was revealed through the Son of God, not that the living God was manifested at all as a human single body. Although, our God was definitely revealed and known to us by his human son as 1 Tim 3:16b. And of course there are several/many scripture saying the same thing.

As I said before, look as 1 Tim 3:16 again. Tell me why would God Almighty need to be vindicated in his own Spirit, seen by his own angels and proclaimed to the world. And then was God Almighty raised from the dead? I don't think so. It was his Son who was vindicated by his Father, seen by the angels and proclaimed amongst nations, believed on in the world and raised up by God his Father. It was all for his Father, his glory, through the birth, growth in wisdom and understanding and actions of his Son.

You still seem hard pressed to force God into as his Son I see.

 

[101G]

Your first mistake of the day. the "Spirit" in that body called the Christ is EQUAL WITH, not EQUAL TO, but EQUAL WITH God."...such craziness. where's this equality to and with, all coning from; your mind not mine...adding your words as mine is so typical of you.

let the bible answer this. LISTEN and LEARN. Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." answer NO ONE ELSE BESIDE YOU. Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

now there is no one EQUAL ... "TO" him, (one Person), nor beside (him), one person. but is there someone EQUAL "WITH", him, (a single Person). YES, God he himself. let's see it in scripture. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the LORD, all Caps is the First, and he the LORD, all Caps is the Last. notice .... "THE" Last, meaning ONLY one PERSON. so how is the LORD, ONE PERSON is also the LAST, the same one Person. let the BIBLE show us and then explain to us. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, this explain the EQUAL "WITH" vs the EQUAL "TO". Oh my God, this is just 2 easy not to understand. if the Lord Jesus was equal "TO" God that would INDICATE a separate and distinct person from God. but the term "WITH" as Isaiah 48:12 clearly states, INDICATE the SAME ONE PERSON. well now how is that? let the bible speak. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." God's OWN ARM is he HIMSELF in FLESH, as Isaiah Chapter 53 clearly states. but how did God's OWN ARM, is he God himself in flesh. if one want to END right.... start Right. start at the beginning. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." here the revelation is in the term "God" itself, LISTEN, and LEARN,
GOD: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

the plural of H433 ok, what or who is H433?

H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

what did GOD: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') say? the plural of H433 of, of, of, of, now understand the term of. "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned here, which need careful distinction.

KNOWING THIS, back to Isaiah chapter 53, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" God is about to reveal his ARM from Isaiah 63:5... Listen here, Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."

For he shall grow up before him? YES, this is the objective (he), as to who was "SENT", the Son. and the subjective (him) that sent his OWN ARM, (he) who grew up before him. my God this is Just too easy.
so apak do just what Hebrews 5:12 say to do. "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."

101G.

 

[APAK]

Nice try--

"He who was revealed in the flesh"
NKJV"God was manifested in the flesh"
NRSV"He was revealed in flesh"
TEV"He appeared in human form"
NJB"He was made visible in the flesh"

This speaks of the Incarnation (birth) of Jesus Christ at Bethlehem: His life, teachings, death, and resurrection, which fully reveal the Father (cf. John 1:14-18). There is also the strong inference of His pre-existence (cf. John 1:1-5; 8:57-58; 2 Cor. 8:4; Phil. 2:6; Col. 1:17). This is the central truth of the Gospels about Jesus Christ, that He was fully God and fully human (cf. John 1:14; Phil. 2:6-8; Col. 1:14-16; 1 John 4:1-6).

There is a later Greek manuscript variant in which the relative pronoun hos (MSS א, A, C, F, G; UBS4 gives this an "A" rating [certain]) is changed to theos. This later change may have occurred

1. with the confusion over OC (the abbreviations in uncial Greek for who) read as H C (the abbreviation in uncial Greek for "God") or

2. as a purposeful theological change by later scribes (cf. MSS אc, Ac, C2, and D2) wanting to make the text more specific against the adoptionist heresies (cf. Bart D. Ehrman, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, pp. 77-78)

Nice try you said. So God raised himself up from death and had to be seen by his own angels...too funny. Are you reading and understanding what you write? I would get another person to check your words as a sanity check if I were you.

What is your BL or point Johann? Do you have one besides cutting and pasting stuff that seem aligned with the current subject?

If fact do you believe Yahshua was conceived and birthed by his Father God's Spirit or not, of the seed of David, as the true Son of God, his first only begotten Son, his 2nd Adam he did create in one moment, on one day?

And then place these words on a single page and affix it to you frig, and glance at it from time to time and really try to understand it. These words tell truth. Start with that one before you go off into areas I believe you do not understand at all.

 

[101G]

If fact do you believe Yahshua was conceived and birthed by his Father God's Spirit or not, of the seed of David, as the true Son of God, his first only begotten Son, his 2nd Adam he did create in one moment, on one day?

may 101G as you a question since you brought this up. the Christ, the seed of David, the Son of God. is this seed according to the Law (biological) or according to the Spirit? which one? think before you answer.

101G.

 

[101G]

to all my Trinitarians and Unitarities.
you all have bought into the BIG LIE and refuse to let the LIE go. instead of READING the Bible with the COMFORTER, who will guide us in all truth, you all prefer what men and women say. the scriptures are true. 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" 2 Timothy 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Oh how true these verses are. scripture coming true today even as we speak.

if one is so sure, test your belief against the Word of God and really see if they are on the sure foundation. I'm like the Holy Spirit via his apostle Paul. Titus 1:12 "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies." Titus 1:13 "This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;"

there are many Cretians among us.

101G.

 

[TibiasDad]

I'm not missing the point. You are missing the point.

2 Gods do not make a trinity. According to Scripture, there is one God, Jesus' God and his name is YHWH, not Jesus.

Not 2 God’s, 2 persons referred to as being the one God; God the Father and Lord Jesus. Two who are defined as God disproves that only one person can be defined as God. The absence of the Holy Spirit in this particular instance holds no bearing as to the validity of the Trinity.

Doug

 

[synergy]

Scripture, verse 15, does not say that 'the living God was manifested in the flesh' at all.

The context and meaning suggests that the church is of the living God, and it was revealed through the Son of God, not that the living God was manifested at all as a human single body. Although, our God was definitely revealed and known to us by his human son as 1 Tim 3:16b. And of course there are several/many scripture saying the same thing.

As I said before, look as 1 Tim 3:16 again. Tell me why would God Almighty need to be vindicated in his own Spirit, seen by his own angels and proclaimed to the world. And then was God Almighty raised from the dead? I don't think so. It was his Son who was vindicated by his Father, seen by the angels and proclaimed amongst nations, believed on in the world and raised up by God his Father. It was all for his Father, his glory, through the birth, growth in wisdom and understanding and actions of his Son.

You still seem hard pressed to force God into as his Son I see.

Once you realize that the antecedent of "He" is the living God in 1 Tim 3:15-16 then we can talk further. Without a good understanding of English grammar on your part, we cannot progress further.

 

[synergy]

This is such nonsense. "God revealed in the flesh" is just another way to say Jesus is NOT God - even though your Eisegesis pretends that's what it means.

Huh? Actually, "God revealed in the flesh"
annihilates unitarianism.

AS IF John 1:1 is not enough? It is nothing. It does not even refer to Jesus. You just cannot accept that words are WHAT's not WHO's.

Scripture is explicit that Jesus is the son of God, period, full stop, end of story. This proves he is NOT God. But your IDOLATRY won't let it go; you have to read into unitarian text that it means the opposite of what it says. Scripture says over and over again there is one God and not once does it say Jesus is God and not once does it say God is 3-in-one.

Where is "period, full stop, end of story" in the Bible? Jesus also declared that He existed as "I Am" even before Abraham existed. Your willingness to sacrifice the Bible on the altar of your unitarian god is sheer and blatant heresy and idolatry.

 

[GeneZ]

I'm not missing the point. You are missing the point.

2 Gods do not make a trinity. According to Scripture, there is one God, Jesus' God and his name is YHWH, not Jesus.

You have the power to ignore what we tell you we see ...

Trinitarians have the power given by grace to see.

We did not choose to see it.

 

[101G]

Not 2 God’s, 2 persons referred to as being the one God; God the Father and Lord Jesus. Two who are defined as God disproves that only one person can be defined as God.

if this is true, question, Who Laid the Foundation of the EARTH in CREATION? was it,

A. God whom you calls the Father, or

B. God whom you calls the Son.

if these two is not the SAME "ONE" person, then you're correct. if not you are in trouble. your answer please.

101G.

 

[101G]

again to all my trinitarians, and Unitarians, the guy in the vid at the beginning of the topic. he lied in IGNORANCE. go to tape time,00:40 and listen to tape time 01:52. his point is this. the Word ... even if Jesus is different from God, because of the term "WITH".... JESUS is "WITH" God, so Jesus has to be a separate Person from the person of God.

well the bible disagrees. because WITH when used in the Godhead in the beginning identifies the same one person. same example, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here, if we apply what the guy said in the video are two separate persons. well do the bible say that? no, and here's why. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
BINGO, the same ONE PERSON,

one cannot get around this. the Word and God is the SAME "one" person. John 1:1 is correct in saying the Word is God, and the Word was "WITH" God is the same one Person.

people say they believe the bible, yea, right, well how come they don't believe what Isaiah 41:4 and Isaiah 48:12 is saying?

what's wrong? why not believe?.......... yea... right.

101G.

 

[101G]

let's get to the problem,
why cannot one believe what the bible say.
A. strong delusion maybe? 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" WOW! .... not Satan, but God will send the strong delusion. Oh my God. was this not foretold? let's check the record. Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

notice the "s" at the end of delusions meaning more than one. so, the JW and the Mormons..... ect.... have a lots of company with the unitarians, trinitarians, and YES, also the Oneness taught by the UPIC in their strong delusions

101G.

 

[synergy]

again to all my trinitarians, and Unitarians, the guy in the vid at the beginning of the topic. he lied in IGNORANCE. go to tape time,00:40 and listen to tape time 01:52. his point is this. the Word ... even if Jesus is different from God, because of the term "WITH".... JESUS is "WITH" God, so Jesus has to be a separate Person from the person of God.

well the bible disagrees. because WITH when used in the Godhead in the beginning identifies the same one person. same example, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here, if we apply what the guy said in the video are two separate persons. well do the bible say that? no, and here's why. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
BINGO, the same ONE PERSON,

one cannot get around this. the Word and God is the SAME "one" person. John 1:1 is correct in saying the Word is God, and the Word was "WITH" God is the same one Person.

people say they believe the bible, yea, right, well how come they don't believe what Isaiah 41:4 and Isaiah 48:12 is saying?

what's wrong? why not believe?.......... yea... right.

101G.

Jesus says that he existed as the "I Am" of the OT even before Abraham existed. There is also God the Father who Jesus prayed to and there is God the Holy Spirit who is his own witness. That's the three Divine Persons of the Holy Trinity.

As for Isaiah 41:4 and 48:12, I already explained them to you from the LXX Old Testament.

 

[TibiasDad]

if this is true, question, Who Laid the Foundation of the EARTH in CREATION? was it,

A. God whom you calls the Father, or

B. God whom you calls the Son.

if these two is not the SAME "ONE" person, then you're correct. if not you are in trouble. your answer please.

101G.

“Through him all things are made, and without him nothing that has been made, was made.” Jn 1:3 Him equals the Word/Christ!

Doug

 

[Wrangler]

Not 2 God’s, 2 persons referred to as being the one God; God the Father and Lord Jesus.

Still, 2 persons a trinity does not make. See the problem?

 

[Wrangler]

Huh? Actually, "God revealed in the flesh"
annihilates unitarianism.

Sorry Charlie! We all know you want to set the bar low to accept heresy of multiple gods and low to reject it. No, only something "Jesus is God" would annihilate unitarianism.

And we know Scripture cannot say such a thing because it tells us throughout that Jesus is OF God - son, word, priest, apostle, servant, prophet, etc.