jeremiah1five
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I don't take it personal.
God does.
Eternal Security
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God does.
jeremiah1five
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The ethnic cleansing will be done by God Himself from out of Israel's Promised Land:
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts:
And all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:
And in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
Zech. 14:21.
This is before the Millennium begins when Israel occupies their Promised Land. This has never been done before. There has always been Gentiles in the land of Israel.
But not during the Millennium.
And look at what happens at the end of the Millennium:
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev. 20:7–10.
It doesn't look good for the visiting team.
mailmandan
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First you say that it's "before the Millennium". Then you quote the Bible that says it's after the Millenium. You need to get your version of your imaginary story straight before you can present it before us.
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Bubba
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What did Jesus say about eternal security? I think he had a lot to say about it in the parable of the lost son. Here's a comment on it from Charles Stanley.
Christ gave this vivid illustration on eternal security:
A certain man had two sons; and the younger of them said to his father, “Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me.”
—Luke 15:11–12
With those words Jesus had His audience’s undivided attention. From what we understand of first–century Jewish culture, no son with any respect at all for his father would dare demand his share of the inheritance. It was customary for the father to choose the time for the division of the inheritance. To make things worse, the younger son was making the request. What he did was unthinkable!
Jesus continued,
And he divided his wealth between them. And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.
—Luke 15:12–13
Not only did he demand his share of the inheritance, the younger son left town with it. Apparently, he had no concern for his father’s welfare. He was concerned about only himself. So he took the money, went to a distant country, and partied it all away.
No doubt Jesus’ listeners were all rehearsing in their minds what they thought the disrespectful brat deserved. How dare he take such a large portion of his father’s hard–earned estate and throw it away! According to the law, a son who cursed his father or was rebellious and stubborn was to be put to death (see Lev. 20:9; Deut. 21:18–21). The death penalty was the most likely verdict reached by many who listened that day.
But then the story took a surprising turn:
Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be in need. And he went and attached himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he was longing to fill his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him. —Luke 15:14–16
The crowd must have become almost nauseous as Jesus described the condition in which the boy found himself. The Pharisees would not even go near swine, much less feed them. By their definition, the young man was hopelessly ceremonially unclean. That is, he would probably never get clean enough to enter the temple and offer sacrifices. And to think he would even consider eating with the pigs. To them, he had gone over the edge, but then, he deserved it.
At the same time, however, many who stood there that day could relate to the story of the prodigal son. They had abandoned their heavenly Father. Like the lad in the story, they were in situations that caused them to be alienated from the religious community. By the practiced standard of the day, they were unacceptable to God. They listened carefully as Jesus went on,
But when he came to his senses, he said, “How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.’ ” And he got up and came to his father.
—Luke 15:17–20
I imagine everyone who heard Jesus that day had an opinion about what the father should say or do when the boy began his speech. At the same time, I doubt any of them would have ended the parable the way Jesus did:
But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him, and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him, and kissed him.
—Luke 15:20
The Pharisees must have cringed at the thought of embracing someone who had spent time feeding swine. Jesus then added,
And the son said to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.” But the father said to his slaves, “Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and be merry; for this son of mine was dead, and has come to life again; he was lost, and has been found.” —Luke 15:21–24
Christ gave this vivid illustration on eternal security:
A certain man had two sons; and the younger of them said to his father, “Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me.”
—Luke 15:11–12
With those words Jesus had His audience’s undivided attention. From what we understand of first–century Jewish culture, no son with any respect at all for his father would dare demand his share of the inheritance. It was customary for the father to choose the time for the division of the inheritance. To make things worse, the younger son was making the request. What he did was unthinkable!
Jesus continued,
And he divided his wealth between them. And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.
—Luke 15:12–13
Not only did he demand his share of the inheritance, the younger son left town with it. Apparently, he had no concern for his father’s welfare. He was concerned about only himself. So he took the money, went to a distant country, and partied it all away.
No doubt Jesus’ listeners were all rehearsing in their minds what they thought the disrespectful brat deserved. How dare he take such a large portion of his father’s hard–earned estate and throw it away! According to the law, a son who cursed his father or was rebellious and stubborn was to be put to death (see Lev. 20:9; Deut. 21:18–21). The death penalty was the most likely verdict reached by many who listened that day.
But then the story took a surprising turn:
Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be in need. And he went and attached himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he was longing to fill his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him. —Luke 15:14–16
The crowd must have become almost nauseous as Jesus described the condition in which the boy found himself. The Pharisees would not even go near swine, much less feed them. By their definition, the young man was hopelessly ceremonially unclean. That is, he would probably never get clean enough to enter the temple and offer sacrifices. And to think he would even consider eating with the pigs. To them, he had gone over the edge, but then, he deserved it.
At the same time, however, many who stood there that day could relate to the story of the prodigal son. They had abandoned their heavenly Father. Like the lad in the story, they were in situations that caused them to be alienated from the religious community. By the practiced standard of the day, they were unacceptable to God. They listened carefully as Jesus went on,
But when he came to his senses, he said, “How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.’ ” And he got up and came to his father.
—Luke 15:17–20
I imagine everyone who heard Jesus that day had an opinion about what the father should say or do when the boy began his speech. At the same time, I doubt any of them would have ended the parable the way Jesus did:
But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him, and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him, and kissed him.
—Luke 15:20
The Pharisees must have cringed at the thought of embracing someone who had spent time feeding swine. Jesus then added,
And the son said to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.” But the father said to his slaves, “Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and be merry; for this son of mine was dead, and has come to life again; he was lost, and has been found.” —Luke 15:21–24
jeremiah1five
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I've said the same thing as God.
When God sits on His throne at Jerusalem and the Hebrews have been given their Promised Land God cleanses the land of ALL Gentiles and they live OUTSIDE of Israel.
At the end of the Millennium Satan is loosed from his prison and gathers those living outside the Promised Land, compass it ready to attack the Hebrew/Jewish people and fire comes down from heaven and consumes all the Gentiles.
No more Gentiles (non-Hebrew.)
Then meek Israel will inherit the earth as Promised by God.
Rowan
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You can't beat The Parables of Jesus they're the best.
The Parable of the Lost Coin
“Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins[a] and loses one. Doesn’t she light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9 And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ 10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Luke 15:8-10No you didn't. First of all, God doesn't contradict himself like you did. And he doesn't concoct imaginary tales like you do.
The text says "there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts." I don't know of any Canaanite around my circles. And even if I did, not all Gentiles are Canaanites. You failed your Human Geography course I see.
Only those who do battle are consumed. Last time I checked military subscriptions, military recruiters do not accept infants nor youngsters. So not all "Gentiles" will be consumed by fire. Your euphoric lust for ethnic cleansing blinds you to reality.
TibiasDad
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It that is the meaning of fulfilled, then there is no “only in part”; my definition is either correct or incorrect! We both say it is correct, so leave it at that.
First of all, are you genetically Jewish? I am genetically not Jewish, and thus am genetically Gentile, but this doesn’t necessarily skew my ability to comprehend something from another perspective.
Secondly, I strongly disagree with your statement that we “place the focus on Torah rather than on Christ”! That is absurd.
My focus is completely on and about Christ, and as you forlorn, we do not see the OT law in the same light. Though I don’t think it is true, you are saying that we “Gentiles” have thrown out the Torah, so how can we be “focused on Torah rather than on Christ”?
The Jewish nation are chosen to be “a light for the Gentiles,” they were given the law on our behalf. They were give it to us, to expose us to it. All God’s word is meant for all men! Given to Israel, given for all men.
Blameless does not mean justified! It means, in context, that Paul’s lifestyle in his pre-conversion experience was not subject to blame by the standards of the law. He kept the commands and observed the ceremonial duties prescribed by the law without fault.
Secondly, Paul does not say anything contradictory, for Phil 3:6 does not say he is justified! He only says he was faultless as to keeping the law, just as the rich young ruler did, and yet Jesus said he was still lacking! (Luke 18:18-30) Paul was faultless in as far as the requirements of the law, but not before God; he kept the law, but persecuted God! If he was Justified, there would be no need to stop him on the road to Damascus.
If Paul is “doubled minded”, then you have destroyed 2/3rds of the NT. And also the credibility of others who commended Paul and his teachings, like Peter and Luke, and perhaps by extension Mark!
Doug
TibiasDad
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Nobody is doing that! At least not me, or the general population of Evangelical Christianity.
What is no longer needed is the ceremonial sacrifices required by Torah, nor the dietary laws and restrictions, nor the requirements for observing the feasts, nor, most famously, circumcision! To deny this is to deny the teachings of the NT as a whole!
Doug
jeremiah1five
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Canaanite represents Gentiles. That's who was in the Promised Land Joshua destroyed from out of the land.
Let me ask you this:
Jesus said, "if you love me obey my commandments."
Jesus taught the Torah to His people. You say the Torah is abolished/obsolete and that you don't have to obey His commands.
This means you don't love Jesus.
Can I get an "Amen"?
jeremiah1five
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Each member of the Trinity had a Ministry to perform towards the redemption of Yahweh's covenant people Israel. It was the Father's Plan, the Son implemented the Plan, and the Holy Spirit is in the world today to apply the Plan to God's elect Israel.
What I mean "in part" is that up to that point Jesus fulfilled covenant and prophecy but there is still prophecy He still needs to fulfill that is still yet future. Jesus hasn't fulfilled all prophecy which is the meaning of "in part."
Jesus still needs to fulfill other aspects of the three covenants God made with Israel. The Ceremonial and Moral Laws have been fulfilled. The Social Laws still need to be fulfilled and will be when Jesus gives the kingdom back to His Father and all things have and will be fulfilled at that time. Until then not even Jesus sitting and reigning on His throne is fulfilling all things. It all ends with the giving up the kingdom back to the Father and everything is "all in all."
Do you REALLY know that for sure? That you're not Hebrew? Do you really think you do not have any Abraham's DNA in you?
As a people the Hebrews have been scattered to the four winds three times. The northern kingdom in 722 BC by the Assyrians, the southern kingdom in AD 586 by the Babylonians, and the twelve tribes in AD 70 by the Romans. These were all divine acts of God.
When Cyrus gave the Hebrews permission to return to their land only a remnant returned. while the majority of Hebrews/Jews remained in Gentile lands. A conservative number to define "remnant" can be about 10% of total. Maybe 15% of the total. Think about that. 85-90% of Hebrews remained in Gentile lands. I'm sure that after the destruction of their First Temple and a generation later Hebrews strayed far from their religion and became diluted by Assyrian, Babylonian, and Hellenized culture and lost the knowledge of their religion and Torah and their prophets.
For the following you should consult Hebrew/Jewish accounts since they were more adept at record-keeping of their own people and history. You will not get an accurate rendering of the Hebrew/Jewish history from Gentile sources.
There is something called "the lost ten tribes of Israel (northern kingdom)" but they were not lost. There are Scriptures that record which tribes returned to Israel or to areas near the previous borders called Israel. Remember, if you know, Samaria was the capital of the northern kingdom. Under judgment from God the ten tribes of the north were taken captive and assimilated into Assyrian culture. Some may have escaped. And some remained behind. Through rape, inter-marriage, slavery, concubinage, and other factors Jewish women (and men) definitely had offspring with Gentiles even to survive and for many reasons. This is from where we get "Samaritans" who although were half-Jew and half-Gentile were still IN COVENANT with God. I think the Samaritans lay the groundwork for the 'dilution' of the Jewish race with Gentiles and who knows where these offspring traveled let alone lived. Some may have gone into Africa, and southern Europe, etc. Even in the Caucus area. Asia. All over.
The southern kingdom lasted much longer. Around 622 BC the Book of the Law was found by some priest and when king Josiah read it, he learned how far this people had strayed from God's commands (2 Kings 22.) Josiah was profoundly affected, and this led to reforms throughout the kingdom.
In 539 BC the Babylonians conquered the southern kingdom, took captives, and again the Jews were scattered throughout the earth. Around 537-38 BC Cyrus allowed Jew to return to rebuild their city (Temple.) This was around the time Pharisees and Sadducees were formed with Pharisees being the original group to be formed. This all leads to the time of Jesus' birth and His eventual ministry to the Hebrew people. Later, through the Jewish Wars with Rome (Josephus, etc.) Israel of twelve tribes was defeated and forced out of their land with Rome passing laws prohibiting their return until Rome was eventually defeated and destroyed by the barbarians in AD 410. By this time Gentile Christianity, which was NOT true, Biblical Christianity was in full swing and the reason why it was NOT true, Biblical Christianity was because of their hatred of the Jews and their interpretation of the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple specifically and the Jewish cities and nation in general. Gentiles saw these events as God's judgment of the Jews and that in their minds Gentiles were seen to be the replacement of Israel in God's redemptive history. Gentiles early in the second century unmoored Gentile Christianity from its Hebrew roots and in this created a new religion. There were no Hebrew Scriptures and no Jew to interpret or teach Hebrew history and culture to them, so they misunderstood a great deal regarding what true, Biblical Christianity was, and true, Biblical Christianity was the faith and religion of the Hebrews/Jewish people. It was NEVER Gentile in nature. But Gentiles stole Israel's inheritance and as soon as the gathering of scrolls led to a New Testament Gentiles re-interpreted these Jewish writings with a Gentile mindset.
Although America and Britain are not named in prophecy, both are in a loose fashion. Britain's coat of arms has a lion and a unicorn and Hebrew writing. Lion (from the tribe of Judah), and unicorn (Ephraim). Our dollar bill has the Magen David (six-pointed star), thirteen stars, stripes, Olive leaves in the Great Seal, etc. corresponding to the 13 tribes of Israel. It gets complicated but after two world wars America and Britain became victorious and leaders of the free world. People from the Old World came across the ocean for religious freedoms and during the Revolutionary War it was ONE JEW who bankrolled the American Revolution and the effort to overcome Britain and become a free nation. So, having said all that I say this: NO ONE knows for sure that through all this scattering of the Jewish people these past 1700 years whether or not a presumed Gentiles does not have Hebrew DNA in their family line somewhere. And, given that God is a God of Covenant and KEEPS His Promises to Abraham and his seed that those Gentiles who see themselves as Gentile and are born again just may have Hebrew/Abraham's DNA in their family line. If a presumed Gentile has 00.01% Hebrew DNA, God is a God of Covenant will save His people. Even though Esau and Jacob were both seed of Abraham it was Jacob through whom the Promise went through, but Esau was also blessed of God being seed of Abraham. Ishmael's and Esau's descendants are the "nations" and "kings" God referred to in the Abrahamic Covenant of Genesis 15 and 17 for Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham. But later on, Jews and Gentiles (non-Jews) did intermingle and here we are in 2024 on the precipice of a new round of judgment upon God's covenant people but this time in the lands of America and UK while God deals directly with the two southern tribes that occupy the land of Israel today with a smattering of the northern ten tribes existing there today. There is much history to consider when trying to understand God's Redemptive history of His covenant people Israel.
Did you know that it was mainly the tribe of Judah and Benjamin that were involved in the creation of the state of Israel in 1948? Each tribe had its own banner, stone, colors, ensign, etc., and the funny thing is that when it came time to name their nation the tribe of Judah chose the name of the northern tribe: Israel.
The Jewish flag also almost had a Lion (from the tribe of Judah) but instead opted for a six-pointed star as its emblem - the Magen David. THAT'S WHY I post the things I do because I have a head start over the rest of the members here knowing these things especially that God made covenant with Abraham, the Children of Israel (Mosaic) and both Houses of Israel and Judah (New Covenant) and why I say truthfully God has made NO COVENANT with Gentiles but that through world history Gentiles have stolen Hebrew/Jewish covenants, terminology, Scripture, and their inheritance and everything Jewish and turned it into Gentile possession.
And for that God is going to finally judge Gentiles for their sins against Him and against His covenant people.
Be prepared is the ONLY warning God gives to us.
Be prepared. Judgment is coming upon the nations (Gentiles) America included.
It says Christ fulfilled the Law. The focus is supposed to be Christ not the Torah, but Gentiles misunderstand what "fulfilling" means. Believe me, the Torah is NOT "obsolete" or "abolished" or "ended." Gentiles do not have the authority to tell the Jews whether or not their Torah given them of their God is "obsolete." Great arrogance in this act.
If your focus was on Christ, you would never say the Torah is "abolished" or "obsolete" or "ended."
God's Torah is eternal. It says so in the Bible.
That prophecy will be fulfilled during the Millennium, not before.
Saul says he was blameless. This means "justified" whether you want to accept it or not. Saul has priors of contradicting himself in his letters IF YOU WOULD ONLY LOOK.
You figure it out. I have. But if you are wrong then you are doing injustice to Christ and to His people the Jews.
And this sin will be addressed by God and His Christ at the appropriate time.
Good luck.
jeremiah1five
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You greatly misunderstand the Word of God on these issues.
Salvation - and all its parts - IS OF THE JEWS.
But you don't get it. Too much Gentile re-interpretation of the Hebrew Scripture and heretical indoctrination of Gentile minds wrongly interpreting HEBREW Scripture.
TibiasDad
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Do you offer sin sacrifices, especially on the day of atonement. Do you dress according to Torah standards?
What about the decision of the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, when circumcision and dietary laws were determined to be unnecessary for Gentile converts? This isn’t just Paul, but all the leaders of the early church in Jerusalem, moreover, these were not Gentiles, but born and bred Jewish believers, chosen by Jesus himself!
Doug
TibiasDad
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If this were true, there can be no such thing as a Gentile! If I might have Abraham’s DNA, then so might everyone!
Are you Jewish?
Doug
TibiasDad
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jeremiah1five
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Every day of my new-born life!
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it:
Thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:
A broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Ps 51:16–17.
Every day. You don't know me. But you know my name. Every day I am broken before my Lord. I weep daily and in the middle of the night. I break for my country, for my future president, for those I meet whom the Lord has opened my 'heart' to. There is NOTHING of which my Lord has not broken me before Him in many people and issues that I am confronted with. I am broken for my Baruch who has been the greatest friend and ally in my life when everyone even my family has forsaken me. For God's purpose He has taken everything from me. All my possessions and all my past. I am left with only Him. All I have is Him. And I am blessed with the knowledge of His Word. And I have this site among another in which I can share what I know and leave the fruit of my work up to Him.
It's been said the most successful prophet in Scripture was Jonah. Similarly, the least successful was Jeremiah. He led NO ONE back to God. The southern kingdom continued in thinking all was well and that they were in good with the Almighty. The people he came to serve did terrible things to him. And it all broke him to the deepest of wounds. Next the Christ Jeremiah suffered the most among everyone that has been born of woman. Judah should have known. Gentiles should have known. The mere presence of a Biblical prophet should have alerted them that judgment is near. But the people chose to disregard his words, and to trust in their false seers and wise men and look what happened in the end.
You think that born-again Gentile Christians who were never under the Torah to begin with don't have to obey God and His Law? You misunderstand the covenants. On the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) the Holy Spirit arrived to perform His Ministry. The Son is on the right hand of the Father and now it is the Spirit's turn. He is in the world today to apply the atonement bought by the Son to God's elect people. On Pentecost 3000 natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel and the Torah took another form. No longer was it the letter of the Law but the spirit of the Law that came into reality with the Advent of the Holy Spirit. Christ fulfilled the Law and was our substitute. He obeyed perfectly and commanded His disciples to obey His commandments which commandments are the Torah. He was the One to give it to the Children of Israel in the desert. And He commands our obedience IF we love Him.
Saul said the Law is spiritual (Rom. 7.) Through the new birth so are we. We don't offer sacrifices according to tghe letter of the Law. We offer sacrifices according to the spirit of the Law.
Like this:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Rom. 12:1.
Do we drink the Kool-Aid and do a "Jim Jones?" Of course not. The natural realm is a mirror of the spiritual realm which was first. But we are expected by God to search the Scriptures to find and learn the spiritual aspect to the letter of the Law. And THEN we obey in its time the proper and appropriate application, like a broken spirit and a sacrificed body holy to Him, no fornication, no adultery which is a sin against the body. The personal body.
And there's more. A whole lot more.
The Jerusalem Council (AD 50) was chaired and populated by Jewish Christians. Saul had a mandate from Christ to "bring in" Gentiles, but He did not tell him how to do it. This was left up to him. Peter and James (the Lord's brother) were Judaizers. But Peter and James were not given the function/ministry to do what Christ commanded Saul. And although in conclusion at the council what was their decision? Gentiles were given certain aspects of the Torah to obey "and it will be well with them."
How about you? Ever commit fornication as Christian? Ever eat your steak medium rare with the blood still present? Do you even know if that steak was offered to idols, to the Food and Drug Administration with proof of their stamp of approval?
Do you hunt your own meat? Grow your own crops? The Torah requires a born-again spiritual Christian to search the Scripture to learn, like Saul to bring in Gentiles, how to obey the spiritual aspect of God's Law because He has commanded it for His people to obey and live by. Or do you only obey, municipal, local, state, and federal laws in your Christianity, which is obedience to the beast from out of the sea.
You have much to learn.
You should begin today.
jeremiah1five
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There is Gentiles (non-Hebrew) in the world.
There is no rapture.
After Armageddon the survivors (Jew and Gentile) will be dealt with. Israel will get her Promised Land and Gentiles (including Gentile Christians) will occupy the 'four corners of the earth' and reside surrounding the enlarged Israel.
Do you know how THAT will end?
That's ridiculous. That's like saying the Vikings represent all Gentiles, including the Amish. That is utterly ridiculous. Stop embarrassing yourself. There were many more subsets of Gentiles throughout the land that you believe will be ethnically cleansed.
I never said that "the Torah is abolished/obsolete and that you don't have to obey His commands". Stop making things up. Is that at all possible for you?
The Bible says that the Law was fulfilled by Christ.
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
TibiasDad
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All must obey the moral law, but not the ceremonial law; the sacrificial sin offerings, grain offerings, the dietary laws. The Lord clearly told Peter that these were not required, in fact he was now commanded to eat the very things he was forbidden to eat prior to the vision. (Acts 10) In Mark 7:19, Jesus declares all food clean.
The Ten Commandments are always in force, and the singular law of “love thy neighbor” encapsulates all the Decalogue and ensures that all are kept! To love means you’re not stealing, lying, committing adultery or murder, or casting dishonor on your parents. To love God means he is first place in your priorities and worship is a primary means of honoring him. Those who claim these things are “obsolete” are in error; I have never said anything to that effect.
We are under grace, not law! We are required to have circumcision of the heart, not the flesh! That is the evidence of a true member of God’s holy people!
Jesus called the Jewish leaders “whitewashed tombs” because they appeared to be righteous on the outside but were dead on the inside. They kept the law, just as Paul did, just as the rich young ruler, but they were not righteous, nor were they justified! Again, blameless does not mean justified! And it certainly does not in Phil 3:6. You have yet to cite a single lexical authority that supports your claims.
Doug
