Easily dispelling unitarianism

101G said:
a. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
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This appears to be the control verse for you. The phrase “and with” isn’t referring to God. The phrase is referring to the generations of man.

101G said:
b. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
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The phrase here, ”and” - not “and with” - is referring to God. The Father is the first and the last, and besides the Father there is no God.
 
101G said:
well let's see, Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

now is this for sure the "Lord" Jesus? let's see, Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" (smile). the "Lord" Jesus is the .... "LAST", as well as the First.

now let's put the Icing on the cake. BACK TO ISAIAH. see, 101G left out one verse and now he will post it. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." yes, the same one person, and you do know what "ALSO" means..... yes? the same one GOD, and the Lord Jesus is that "ONE" God who is the same "ONE" person in the ECHAD of God...... (smile)...... pure Gold.

101G.
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The phrase “the first and the last” is certainly applied to Jesus. He is in a different category than the category which his Father is in. Jesus is in the category of man. He is the perfect man. He completes man.
 
Matthias said:
This appears to be the control verse for you. The phrase “and with” isn’t referring to God. The phrase is referring to the generations of man.
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ERROR, not in Isaiah 41:4. LISTEN and Learn. got to bible Hub and look at
Brown-Driver-Briggs definition
אַחֲרוֺן51 feminine אַחֲרוֺנָה plural אַחֲרֹנִים (also אַחֲרוֺנִים adjective from אַחַר, coming after or behind (as a comparative or superlative, according to the context); hence
a. of place, behind, hindermost Genesis 33:2 (twice in verse); הָאַחֲרוֺן הַיָּם the hinder (= the Western) sea (i.e. the Mediterranean: opposed to הַיָּם הַקַּדְמוֺנִי the front sea = the Dead Sea, the Semites, in defining the quarters of the heavens, turning naturally to the East, compare קֶדֶם of the East, יָמִין, תֵּימָן of the South, above under the word אָחוֺר d. and Assyrian mat a—arru 'the Western land,' of Phoenicia & Palestine) Deuteronomy 11:24; Deuteronomy 34:2; Joel 2:20; Zechariah 14:8; Job 18:20 poetic אַחֲרֹנִים Ew Hi Di De the dwellers in the West (opposed to קַדְמוֺנִים). More commonly

b. of time, latter or last (according to context) Exodus 4:8; Deuteronomy 24:3; 2 Samuel 19:12; Isaiah 8:23, of God Isaiah 44:6 ("" רִאשׁוֺן) Isaiah 48:12 (do.) compare Isaiah 41:4; in Genl. subsequent (vaguely), ׳יוֺם א = time to come Isaiah 30:8; Proverbs 31:25 (but Nehemiah 8:18 הַיוֺם ׳הָאַ = the last day), ׳(הָ)אַ (הַ)דּוֺר the following Generation Deuteronomy 29:21; Psalm 48:14; Psalm 78:4; Psalm 78:6; Psalm 102:19, (הָ)אַחֲרֹנִים they that come after Job 18:20 (Ges Schl) Ecclesiastes 1:11; Ecclesiastes 4:16, but Isaiah 41:4 the last, Job 19:25 וְאַחֲרוֺן עַלעָֿפָר יָקוּם and as one coming after (me) (and so able to establish my innocence when I am dead) will he (גָֹּֽאֲלִי my Vindicator) arise upon the dust. — The feminine is used adverbially (compare רִאשֹׁנָה) = afterwards or at the last (according to context): (a) absolute Daniel 11:29; (β) בָּאַחֲרוֺנָה (opposed to בָּרִאשֹׁנָה) Deuteronomy 13:10; Deuteronomy 17:7; 1 Samuel 29:2; 2 Samuel 2:26; 1 Kings 17:13; Daniel 8:3; (γ) ׳לָאַ Numbers 2:31 (P) Ecclesiastes 1:11.

(smile)..... but Isaiah 41:4 the last, do you kn ow how many is "the?" ....... (smile), ONE.

now if you want some more GOLD, (that is pure) on Isaiah 41:4 just ask. it your SALVATION at stake..... (smile).

101G.
 
Matthias said:
The phrase “the first and the last” is certainly applied to Jesus. He is in a different category than the category which his Father is in. Jesus is in the category of man. He is the perfect man. He completes man.
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ERROR, NONESENSE, can you read a man HEART? Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

NOW THE Lord JESUS, Revelation 2:23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

exact match.

101G.
 
@Matthias our brother,
as you said, maybe not in Spirit. correct until you get the right Spirit in you then we may be brother by the Spirit.

but to the work at hand. 101G, no the Lord Jesus set you up to fail so you may see your ERROR... (S), more than one.

see, the Generations is IN, IN, IN, IN, God, the Lord Jesus. who was to come, the Ordinal LAST. if you want the TRUE GOLD, just ask and 101G will explain it to you. and NOTE: the Gold 101G is selling in the Lord Jesus, is at NO PRICE. .... (smile).

so if you need help in understanding just ask. that is the COST..... IN ASKING.

101G.
 
101G said:
ERROR, not in Isaiah 41:4. LISTEN and Learn. got to bible Hub and look at
Brown-Driver-Briggs definition
אַחֲרוֺן51 feminine אַחֲרוֺנָה plural אַחֲרֹנִים (also אַחֲרוֺנִים adjective from אַחַר, coming after or behind (as a comparative or superlative, according to the context); hence
a. of place, behind, hindermost Genesis 33:2 (twice in verse); הָאַחֲרוֺן הַיָּם the hinder (= the Western) sea (i.e. the Mediterranean: opposed to הַיָּם הַקַּדְמוֺנִי the front sea = the Dead Sea, the Semites, in defining the quarters of the heavens, turning naturally to the East, compare קֶדֶם of the East, יָמִין, תֵּימָן of the South, above under the word אָחוֺר d. and Assyrian mat a—arru 'the Western land,' of Phoenicia & Palestine) Deuteronomy 11:24; Deuteronomy 34:2; Joel 2:20; Zechariah 14:8; Job 18:20 poetic אַחֲרֹנִים Ew Hi Di De the dwellers in the West (opposed to קַדְמוֺנִים). More commonly

b. of time, latter or last (according to context) Exodus 4:8; Deuteronomy 24:3; 2 Samuel 19:12; Isaiah 8:23, of God Isaiah 44:6 ("" רִאשׁוֺן) Isaiah 48:12 (do.) compare Isaiah 41:4; in Genl. subsequent (vaguely), ׳יוֺם א = time to come Isaiah 30:8; Proverbs 31:25 (but Nehemiah 8:18 הַיוֺם ׳הָאַ = the last day), ׳(הָ)אַ (הַ)דּוֺר the following Generation Deuteronomy 29:21; Psalm 48:14; Psalm 78:4; Psalm 78:6; Psalm 102:19, (הָ)אַחֲרֹנִים they that come after Job 18:20 (Ges Schl) Ecclesiastes 1:11; Ecclesiastes 4:16, but Isaiah 41:4 the last, Job 19:25 וְאַחֲרוֺן עַלעָֿפָר יָקוּם and as one coming after (me) (and so able to establish my innocence when I am dead) will he (גָֹּֽאֲלִי my Vindicator) arise upon the dust. — The feminine is used adverbially (compare רִאשֹׁנָה) = afterwards or at the last (according to context): (a) absolute Daniel 11:29; (β) בָּאַחֲרוֺנָה (opposed to בָּרִאשֹׁנָה) Deuteronomy 13:10; Deuteronomy 17:7; 1 Samuel 29:2; 2 Samuel 2:26; 1 Kings 17:13; Daniel 8:3; (γ) ׳לָאַ Numbers 2:31 (P) Ecclesiastes 1:11.

(smile)..... but Isaiah 41:4 the last, do you kn ow how many is "the?" ....... (smile), ONE.

now if you want some more GOLD, (that is pure) on Isaiah 41:4 just ask. it your SALVATION at stake..... (smile).

101G.
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Maybe try the trinitarians.

Paul expresses the faith of the earliest Christians perfectly in 1 Corinthians 8:6.

For us there is but one God, the Father. That’s pure Jewish monotheism.

Then Paul proceeds to speak about someone else. Paul doesn’t call this person the one God. The one God has already been defined.

And [for us there is but] one lord. That’s an expression of the messianic faith. Paul is speaking now about the lord Messiah, Jesus.
 
101G said:
ERROR, NONESENSE, can you read a man HEART? Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

NOW THE Lord JESUS, Revelation 2:23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

exact match.

101G.
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The one God has given the lord Messiah himself the ability, power, and authority do what the one God himself, the Father, does.
 
101G said:
@Matthias our brother,
as you said, maybe not in Spirit. correct until you get the right Spirit in you then we may be brother by the Spirit.

but to the work at hand. 101G, no the Lord Jesus set you up to fail so you may see your ERROR... (S), more than one.

see, the Generations is IN, IN, IN, IN, God, the Lord Jesus. who was to come, the Ordinal LAST. if you want the TRUE GOLD, just ask and 101G will explain it to you. and NOTE: the Gold 101G is selling in the Lord Jesus, is at NO PRICE. .... (smile).

so if you need help in understanding just ask. that is the COST..... IN ASKING.

101G.
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Jesus hasn’t set anyone up to fail.

Thanks for your offer. If I need your help in understanding, I’ll ask for it. You can write it down and take it to the bank.
 
Matthias said:
Maybe try the trinitarians.

Paul expresses the faith of the earliest Christians perfectly in 1 Corinthians 8:6.

For us there is but one God, the Father. That’s pure Jewish monotheism.

Then Paul proceeds to speak about someone else. Paul doesn’t call this person the one God. The one God has already been defined.

And [for us there is but] one lord. That’s an expression of the messianic faith. Paul is speaking now about the lord Messiah, Jesus.
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just like ERRORS, personal opinions do not move 101G. he can careless about personal opinions.

now, did the Brown-Driver-Briggs definition clear up the Matter of "LAST" in Isaiah 41:4 for you?

if not stay in IGNORANCE. Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

this is where 101G get his footer to his posts. "Where there is Knowledge, stay not Ignorant."

see ya.

101G.
 
101G said:
just like ERRORS, personal opinions do not move 101G. he can careless about personal opinions.

now, did the Brown-Driver-Briggs definition clear up the Matter of "LAST" in Isaiah 41:4 for you?

if not stay in IGNORANCE. Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

this is where 101G get his footer to his posts. "Where there is Knowledge, stay not Ignorant."

see ya.

101G.
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Thanks for sharing your personal opinion of me with me. I would rather know with certainty what a person thinks about me than speculate about it.

I‘ve carefully considered your arguments and haven’t found them persuasive. I don’t think you would want me to believe something which I’m not persuaded is correct.

”Where there is Knowledge, stay not Ignorant.” - That’s something good that I can takeaway from our conversation.
 
Matthias said:
Thanks for sharing your personal opinion of me with me.
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it was not Personal nor an opinion...... FACTS speak for themselves.
Matthias said:
I‘ve carefully considered your arguments and haven’t found them persuasive. I don’t think you would want me to believe something which I’m not persuaded is correct.
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U... YOU haven’t found them persuasive. Now, is that 101G problem, or yours?
Matthias said:
”Where there is Knowledge, stay not Ignorant.” - That’s something good that I can takeaway from our conversation.
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Taking it and using it are two different animals.... (smile)..... :cool:

Hang in there ...... ok,

101G.
 

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