More than willing to assist brother.
J.
Easily Dispelling The Trinity
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Wrangler
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Does ‘uncreated fire’ seem close to a person?
No. I am a Biblical Unitarian.
Wrangler
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What part of the OP do you not understand?
More rabbit holes. Did Christ seem close to a person when He was emblazened with uncreated light at His Transfiguration?
I see. I've never discussed Unitarianism with anyone before. You guys are so much like JWs when it comes to the Trinity that it's scarey.
e v e
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i humbly offer that it is ieue...
reasons:
- the harsh consonants most likely derive from egypt.
- per josephus hebrew is expressed in vowels...
here is what i posted on another forum:
Josephus, first century hebrew historian, records pronunciation of God’s Name as consisting of four vowels… This is IEUE… not consonants as in YHWH. see transliteration in interlinear found at scripture4all.org.
The four hebrew letters for ieue, individually, mean "He who gives Breath". (remember, Hebrew reads right to left. also breath is ruach… רוח.)
“A mitre also of fine linen encompassed his head, which was tied by a blue ribbon, about which there was another golden crown, in which was engraven the sacred name [of the Almighty]: it consists of four vowels.” ——Josephus, 75 AD, The War of the Jews, Book 5. 5. 7.
“J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century. Either symbol (J,I) used initially generally had the consonantal sound of Y as in year.” —— Encyclopedia Americana
As someone on another forum said, while a later version of ancient hebrew was consonantal when written, after exposure to egypt, in earlier times it was not... and thus, IEUE makes sense.... As Josephus states.
...interesting that early hebrew had only three consonants, see biblical hebrew wiki page.
I gather from other reading that egyptian and canaanite languages which then 'mixed in' with the softer hebrew were indeed consonantal.
IEUE is God.
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e v e
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how about a being .. His lovely core and love, His Spirit... life, breath, ruach.
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I agree with what you wrote concerning immortality. We inherit that from God through justification and regeneration. But as far as seeing God the Father is concerned, "no human has ever seen or is able to see" the Father. Notice that I took that phrase straight out of 1Tim 6:16.
1 Tim 6:16 He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.
I totally agree with you here! Jesus' condescension (I almost wrote condensation) is a tremendous stumbling block to people everywhere. I'm very happy that many of us here agree on this point.
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That is not what I'm asking about.
makesends
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Your argument is that there is only one God.
God alone is God. So all that is God is God. Why do you have a problem with that? The Father, the Son, the Spirit of God, all are the one God.
1:14 "the Word became flesh" John is attacking the false doctrine of the Gnostics, who were attempting to merge Christianity with Greek pagan thought.
Jesus was truly human and truly God (cf. 1 John 4:1-3) in fulfillment of the promise of Immanuel (cf. Isa. 7:14).
God took up residence as a man among fallen mankind (literally, "pitched His tent"). The term "flesh" in John never refers to the sin nature as in Paul's writings.
"dwelt among us" Literally, this is "took up residence." It had a Jewish background from the wilderness wandering period and the Tabernacle (cf. Rev. 7:15; 21:3). The Jews later called this wilderness experience the "honeymoon period" between YHWH and Israel. God was never closer to Israel than during this period. The Jewish term for the special divine cloud that guided Israel during this period was "the Shekinah," the Hebrew term "to dwell with."
"we saw His glory" The OT kabod (glory) has now been personified, incarnated.
This refers to (1) something in Jesus' life such as the transfiguration or the ascension (i.e., apostolic testimony, cf. 2 Pet. 1:16-17) or (2) the concept that the invisible YHWH is now visible and fully known. This is the same emphasis as 1 John 1:1-4, which is also an emphasis on the humanity of Jesus in opposition to the false Gnostic emphasis on the antagonistic relationship between spirit and matter.
In the OT the most common Hebrew word for "glory" (kabod, BDB 458 ) was originally a commercial term (which referred to a pair of scales), literally, "to be heavy." That which was heavy was valuable or had intrinsic worth. Often the concept of brightness was added to the word to express God's majesty (i.e., first on Mr. Sinai, the Shekinah cloud of glory, eschatological light, cf. Exod. 13:21-22; 24:17; Isa. 4:5; 60:1-2). He alone is worthy and honorable. He is too brilliant for fallen mankind to behold (cf. Exod. 33:17-23; Isa. 6:5). God can only be truly known through Christ (cf. John 1:14,18; Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3).
Since the Father owns all of creation this means that all of creation equally belongs to the Son!
Christ is further identified as the Lord of glory,
“which none of the rulers of this world has known. For had they known it, they wouldn’t have crucified the Lord of glory (ton Kyrion tes doxes).” 1 Corinthians 2:8
The Lord who is said to be glory itself:
“My brothers, don’t hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ of glory (tou Kyriou hemon, 'Iesou Christou, tes doxes) with partiality.” James 2:1
The Greek literally reads “the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, the Glory,” a reading that has baffled translators as to how to correctly render it into English. This can be seen from the way the following versions translate the expression:
“My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory.” English Standard Version (ESV)
“My brothers, as you believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Glory, pay no servile regard to people.” James Moffatt New Testament (Moffatt)
“My brothers, stop trying to maintain your faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious presence of God on earth, along with acts of partiality to certain ones.” Williams New Testament
In our estimation, Moffatt and Williams have captured James’ intended meaning, since by identifying Jesus as “the Glory” it seems certain that James was describing Christ as the visible presence of God, what is commonly referred to in Judaism as God’s Shekinah/Shekhinah, God’s manifest presence that permeates the entire creation.
Hence, Jesus is none other than Yahweh Incarnate, the very King of glory himself for whom all creation was made:
“who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love; in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
For BY HIM all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created THROUGH HIM, and FOR HIM. He IS before all things, and IN HIM all things are held together. He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that IN ALL THINGS he might have THE PREEMINENCE.” Colossians 1:13-18
“In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word… And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, ‘Let all God’s angels worship him.’… He also says, ‘In the beginning, Lord [the Son], you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.’” Hebrews 1:1-3a, 10-12 New International Version (NIV)
Astonishingly, the writer of Hebrews has taken the following Psalm, which describes Yahweh as the unchanging Creator and Sustainer of all creation,
“Hear my prayer, Yahweh! Let my cry come to you… But you, Yahweh, will remain forever; your renown endures to all generations… I said, ‘My God, don’t take me away in the middle of my days. Your years are throughout all generations. Of old, you laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will endure. Yes, all of them will wear out like a garment. You will change them like a cloak, and they will be changed. But you are the same. Your years will have no end.’” Psalm 102:1, 12, 24-27
And applied it to the Lord Jesus!
In light of the foregoing, could the Holy Bible be any clearer in describing Jesus Christ as Yahweh God Almighty in the flesh, the Father’s eternally beloved Son who sits enthroned with him as the King of all creation? The answer is quite obvious.
The Messiah on Yahweh’s Throne Pt. 2
www.answering-islam.org
More links and sources if you are interested brother-
Johann
An aside-
An Outline of the New Testament
Testimony to the Deity of Christ
This outline does not purport to be in any sense an exhaustive
analysis of the NT witness to Christ's deity. Rather it is a
sketch of one approach - a rather traditional approach -
to this theme. Other complementary or supplementary approaches
abound, such as the creative treatment of Jesus' implicit claim
to deity in his parables by P. B. Payne or R. T. France's
documentation from the Synoptic Gospels of Jesus' assumption of
the role of Yahweh (Jesus and the Old Testament p.150-59).
For a brief discussion of the NT verses that seem, at first sight,
to call Jesus' divinity into question, see R. E. Brown,
"Does the New Testament Call Jesus God?" (Reflections 6-10).
A. Implicit Christology
1. Divine functions performed by Jesus
a. In relation to the universe
(1) Creator (John 1:3; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2)
(2) Sustainer (1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3)
(3) Author of life (John 1:4; Acts 3:15)
(4) Ruler (Matt. 28:18; Rom. 14:9; Rev. 1:6)
b. In relation to human beings
(1) Healing the sick (Mark 1:32-34; Acts 3:6; 10:38)
(2) Teaching authoritatively (Mark 1:21-22; 13:31)
(3) Forgiving sins (Mark 2:1-12; Luke 24:47; Acts 6:31;
Col. 3:13)
(4) Granting salvation or imparting eternal life (Acts 4: 12;
Rom. 10:12-14)
(5) Dispensing the Spirit (Matt. 3:11; Acts 2:17, 33)
(6) Raising the dead (Luke 7:11-17; John 5:21; 6:40)
(7) Exercising judgment (Matt. 25:31-46; John 5:19-29;
Acts 10:42; 1 Cor. 4:4-6)
2. Divine status claimed by or accorded to Jesus
a. In relation to his Father
(1) Possessor of divine attributes (John 1:4; 10:30; 21:17;
Eph. 4:10; Col. 1:19; 2:9)
(2) Eternally existent (John 1:1; 8:58; 12:41; 17:5;
1 Cor. 10:4; Phil. 2:6; Heb. 11:26; 13:8; Jude 5)
(3) Equal in dignity (Matt. 28:19; John 5:23; 2 Cor. 13:14;
Rev. 22:13; cf. 21:6)
(4) Perfect revealer (John 1:18; 14:9; Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:1-3)
(5) Embodiment of truth (John 1:9, 14; 6:32; 14:6; Rev. 3:7,14)
(6) Joint possessor of the kingdom (Eph. 5:5; Rev. 11:15),
churches (Rom. 16:16), Spirit (Rom. 8:9; Phil. 1:19),
temple (Rev. 21:Z), divine name (Matt 28:19; cf. Rev. 14:1),
and throne (Rev. 22:1, 3)
b. In relation to human beings
(1) Recipient of praise (Mat 21:16-16; Eph. 6:19; 1 Tim. 1:12;
Rev. 5:8-14)
(2) Recipient of prayer (Acts 1:24; 7:59-60; 9:10-17,21;
22:16,19; 1 Cor. 1:2; 16:22; 2 Cor. 12:8)
(3) Object of saving faith (John 14:1; Acts 10:43; 16:31;
Rom. 10:8-13)
(4) Object of worship (Matt 14:33; 28:9,17; John 5:23; 20:28;
Phil 2:10-11; Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:8-12)
(5) Joint source of blessing (1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3;
1 Thess. 3:11; 2 Thess. 2:16)
(6) Object of doxologies (2 Tim 4:18; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 1:5b-6;
5:13)
B. Explicit Christology
1. Old Testament passages refering to Yahweh applied to Jesus
a. Character of Yahweh (Exod. 3:14 and Isa 43:11 alluded to in
John 8:68; Ps. 101:27-28 LXX 1MT 102:28-291 quoted in
Heb. 1:11-12; Isa 44:6 aSuded to in Rev. 1:17)
b. Holiness of Yahweh (Isa 8:12-13 [cf. 29:23] quoted in
1 Pet.3:14-15)
c. Descriptions of Yahweh (Ezek. 43:2 and Dan. 10:6-6 alluded to
in Rev. 1:13-16)
d. Worship of Yahweh (Isa 45:23 alluded to in Phil. 2:10-11;
Deut. 32:43 LXX and Ps. 96:7 LXX [MT 97:7] quoted in Heb. 1:6)
e. Work of Yahweh in creation (Ps. 101:26 LXX [MT 102:27] quoted
in Heb. 1:10)
f. Salvation of Yahweh (Joel 2:32 [MT 3:5] quoted in Rom. 10:13;
cf. Acts 2:21; Isa 40:3 quoted in Matt. 3:3)
g. Trustworthiness of Yawheh (Isa 28:16 quoted in Rom. 9:33;
10:11; 1 Pet. 2:6)
h. Judgment of Yahweh (Isa 6:10 alluded to in John 12:41; Isa 8:14
quoted in Rom. 9:33 and 1 Pet. 2:8)
i. Triumph of Yahweh (Ps. 68:18 [MT v. 19] quoted in Eph. 4:8)
2. Divine titles claimed by or applied to Jesus
a. Son of Man (Matt. 16:28; 24:30; Mark 8:38; 14:62-64; Acts 7:56)
b. Son of God (Matt.11:27; Mark 15:39; John 1:18; Rom. 1:4;
Gal.4:4; Heb. 1:2)
c. Messiah (Matt. 16:16; Mark 14:61; John 20:31)
d. Lord (Mark 12:36-37; John 20:28; Rom. 10:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-6; 12:3;
16:22; Phil. 2:11; 1 Pet. 2:3; 3:15)
e. Alpha and Omega (Rev. 22:13; cf. 1:8; 21:6, of the Lord God)
f. God (John 1:1,18; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8;
2 Pet. 1:1)
Taken from
Murray J. Harris, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992, ISBN 0-8010-4370-0
Shalom Achi.
Johann
Scriptural Glossary
of
Names, Titles, and Attributes
Demonstrating That
Jesus and Yahweh Are One
"There is one God" - I Corinthians 8:6
Description As Used of God As Used of Jesus
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YHWH (=I AM) Exodus 3:14 John 8:24
Deuteronomy 32:39 John 8:58
Isaiah 43:10 John 18:4-6
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God Genesis 1:1 Isaiah 7:14, 9:6
Deuteronomy 6:4 John 1:1,14
Psalm 45:6,7 John 20:28
Romans 9:5
Titus 2:13
Hebrews 1:8
2 Peter 1:1
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Alpha and Omega Isaiah 41:4 Revelation 1:17,18
(First and Last) Isaiah 44:6 Revelation 2:8
Isaiah 48:12 Revelation 22:12-16
Revelation 1:8
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Lord Isaiah 45:23 Matthew 12:8
Acts 7:59,60
Acts 10:36
Romans 10:12
1 Corinthians 2:8
1 Corinthians 12:3
Philippians 2:10,1
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Savior Isaiah 43:3 Matthew 1:21
Isaiah 43:11 Luke 2:11
Isaiah 63:8 John 1:29
Luke 1:47 John 4:42
1 Timothy 4:10 Titus 2:13
Hebrews 5:9
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King Psalm 95:3 Revelation 17:14
Isaiah 43:15 Revelation 19:16
1 Timothy 6:14-16
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Judge Genesis 18:25 John 5:22
Psalm 50:4,6 2 Corinthians 5:10
Psalm 96:13 2 Timothy 4:1
Romans 14:10
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Light 2 Samuel 22:29 John 1:4,9
Psalm 27:1 John 3:19
Isaiah 42:6 John 8:12
John 9:5
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Rock Deuteronomy 32:3,4 Romans 9:33
2 Samuel 22:32 1 Corinthians 10:3,4
Psalm 89:26 1 Peter 2:4-8
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Redeemer Psalm 130:7,8 Acts 20:28
Isaiah 48:17 Ephesians 1:7
Isaiah 54:5 Hebrews 9:12
Isaiah 63:9
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Our Righteousness Isaiah 45:24 Jeremiah 23:6
Romans 3:21-22
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Husband Isaiah 54:5 Matthew 25:1
Hosea 2:16 Mark 2:18,19
(Bridegroom)
2 Corinthians 11:2
Ephesians 5:25-32
Revelation 21:2,9
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Shepherd Genesis 49:24 John 10:11,16
Psalm 23:1 Hebrews 13:20
Psalm 80:1 1 Peter 2:25
Ezekiel 34:11-12,22 1 Peter 5:4
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Creator Genesis 1:1 John 1:2,3,10
Job 33:4 Colossians 1:15-18
Psalm 95:5,6 Hebrews 1:1-3,10
Psalm 102:25,26
Isaiah 40:28
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Giver of Life Genesis 2:7 John 5:21
Deuteronomy 32:39 John 10:28
1 Samuel 2:6 John 11:25
Psalm 36:9
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Forgiver of Sin Exodus 34:6-7 Mark 2:1-12
Nehemiah 9:17 Acts 26:18
Daniel 9:9 Colossians 2:13
Jonah 4:2 Colossians 3:13
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Lord Our Healer Exodus 15:26 Acts 9:34
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Omnipresent Psalm 139:7-12 Matthew 18:20
Proverbs 15:3 Matthew 28:20
Ephesians 3:17; 4:10
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Omniscient 1 Kings 8:39 Matthew 11:27
Jeremiah 17:9,10,16 Luke 5:4-6
John 2:25
John 16:30
John 21:17
Acts 1:24
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Omnipotent Isaiah 40:10-31,18 Matthew 28:18
Isaiah 45:5-13,18 Mark 1:29-34
John 10:18
Jude 24
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Pre-Existent Genesis 1:1 John 1:15,30
John 3:13,31,32
John 6:62
John 16:28
John 17:5
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Eternal Psalm 102:26, 27 Isaiah 9:6
Habakkuk 3:6 Micah 5:2
John 8:58
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Immutable Isaiah 46:9,16 Hebrews 13:8
Malachi 3:6
James 1:17
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Receiver of Matthew 4:10 Matthew 14:33
Worship John 4:24 Matthew 28:9
Revelation 5:14 John 9:38
Revelation 7:11 Philippians 2:10,11
Revelation 11:16 Hebrews 1:6
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Speaker with "Thus saith the Lord ... Matthew 5:21-48
Divine Authority - used hundreds of times Matthew 23:34-37
John 7:46
"Truly, truly,
I say ....
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This chart (slightly extended by me) is taken from
pages 62-64 of the book:
Jesus - A Biblical Defense of His Deity
by Josh McDowell and Bart Larson
Here's Life Publishers, (c) 1983, ISBN 0-86605-114-7
Irrefutable biblical data of Jesus Deity.
Johann
of
Names, Titles, and Attributes
Demonstrating That
Jesus and Yahweh Are One
"There is one God" - I Corinthians 8:6
Description As Used of God As Used of Jesus
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YHWH (=I AM) Exodus 3:14 John 8:24
Deuteronomy 32:39 John 8:58
Isaiah 43:10 John 18:4-6
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God Genesis 1:1 Isaiah 7:14, 9:6
Deuteronomy 6:4 John 1:1,14
Psalm 45:6,7 John 20:28
Romans 9:5
Titus 2:13
Hebrews 1:8
2 Peter 1:1
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Alpha and Omega Isaiah 41:4 Revelation 1:17,18
(First and Last) Isaiah 44:6 Revelation 2:8
Isaiah 48:12 Revelation 22:12-16
Revelation 1:8
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Lord Isaiah 45:23 Matthew 12:8
Acts 7:59,60
Acts 10:36
Romans 10:12
1 Corinthians 2:8
1 Corinthians 12:3
Philippians 2:10,1
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Savior Isaiah 43:3 Matthew 1:21
Isaiah 43:11 Luke 2:11
Isaiah 63:8 John 1:29
Luke 1:47 John 4:42
1 Timothy 4:10 Titus 2:13
Hebrews 5:9
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King Psalm 95:3 Revelation 17:14
Isaiah 43:15 Revelation 19:16
1 Timothy 6:14-16
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Judge Genesis 18:25 John 5:22
Psalm 50:4,6 2 Corinthians 5:10
Psalm 96:13 2 Timothy 4:1
Romans 14:10
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Light 2 Samuel 22:29 John 1:4,9
Psalm 27:1 John 3:19
Isaiah 42:6 John 8:12
John 9:5
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Rock Deuteronomy 32:3,4 Romans 9:33
2 Samuel 22:32 1 Corinthians 10:3,4
Psalm 89:26 1 Peter 2:4-8
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Redeemer Psalm 130:7,8 Acts 20:28
Isaiah 48:17 Ephesians 1:7
Isaiah 54:5 Hebrews 9:12
Isaiah 63:9
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Our Righteousness Isaiah 45:24 Jeremiah 23:6
Romans 3:21-22
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Husband Isaiah 54:5 Matthew 25:1
Hosea 2:16 Mark 2:18,19
(Bridegroom)
2 Corinthians 11:2
Ephesians 5:25-32
Revelation 21:2,9
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Shepherd Genesis 49:24 John 10:11,16
Psalm 23:1 Hebrews 13:20
Psalm 80:1 1 Peter 2:25
Ezekiel 34:11-12,22 1 Peter 5:4
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Creator Genesis 1:1 John 1:2,3,10
Job 33:4 Colossians 1:15-18
Psalm 95:5,6 Hebrews 1:1-3,10
Psalm 102:25,26
Isaiah 40:28
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Giver of Life Genesis 2:7 John 5:21
Deuteronomy 32:39 John 10:28
1 Samuel 2:6 John 11:25
Psalm 36:9
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Forgiver of Sin Exodus 34:6-7 Mark 2:1-12
Nehemiah 9:17 Acts 26:18
Daniel 9:9 Colossians 2:13
Jonah 4:2 Colossians 3:13
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Lord Our Healer Exodus 15:26 Acts 9:34
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Omnipresent Psalm 139:7-12 Matthew 18:20
Proverbs 15:3 Matthew 28:20
Ephesians 3:17; 4:10
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Omniscient 1 Kings 8:39 Matthew 11:27
Jeremiah 17:9,10,16 Luke 5:4-6
John 2:25
John 16:30
John 21:17
Acts 1:24
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Omnipotent Isaiah 40:10-31,18 Matthew 28:18
Isaiah 45:5-13,18 Mark 1:29-34
John 10:18
Jude 24
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Pre-Existent Genesis 1:1 John 1:15,30
John 3:13,31,32
John 6:62
John 16:28
John 17:5
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Eternal Psalm 102:26, 27 Isaiah 9:6
Habakkuk 3:6 Micah 5:2
John 8:58
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Immutable Isaiah 46:9,16 Hebrews 13:8
Malachi 3:6
James 1:17
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Receiver of Matthew 4:10 Matthew 14:33
Worship John 4:24 Matthew 28:9
Revelation 5:14 John 9:38
Revelation 7:11 Philippians 2:10,11
Revelation 11:16 Hebrews 1:6
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Speaker with "Thus saith the Lord ... Matthew 5:21-48
Divine Authority - used hundreds of times Matthew 23:34-37
John 7:46
"Truly, truly,
I say ....
=================================================================
This chart (slightly extended by me) is taken from
pages 62-64 of the book:
Jesus - A Biblical Defense of His Deity
by Josh McDowell and Bart Larson
Here's Life Publishers, (c) 1983, ISBN 0-86605-114-7
Irrefutable biblical data of Jesus Deity.
Johann
Thank you so much for all that information. In your estimation, would you say that Shekinah/Shekhinah is a name for the Holy Spirit? Might there be other OT or Rabbinical names for the Holy Spirit?
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Wrangler
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What Scripture verse says this?
Wrangler
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I understand but am not scared.
I had many in-depth discussions with a JW on another thread. While there is doctrinal similarity in some cases, it became clear JW is a work based, grace-less doctrine.
At another time, I could go into their cult control of members. My SIL is a victim of this.
Wrangler
Well-known member
We don't even understand our own being, let alone the nature of the Supreme Being.
Example. Ever get the feeling that someone is watching you and you turn around and someone IS watching you? A few years ago I came across an article of a scientific research project on this. In short, the brain emits an energy field much larger than the skull diameter. Perhaps this is up to 30 feet in diameter. When someone enters this field, you could sense this on some level.
Now, I believe modern humans have failed to develop such primal aspects of our being.
Getting back to God, my view is that to go beyond what YHWH revealed us through Scripture is beyond our pay grade. That is, it is not his intention that we go there. For instance, Sylvia Browne wrote there are many universes, each with its own Christ. This was to highlight how great our God YHWH is. It could be true but does not alter my duty to spread the Gospel here, now.
Wrangler
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Don't you find this the most absurd statement ever written? Jesus Christ has the greatest reputation of any man who ever lived, the most famous man who ever lived.
JWs are Arians who do not believe that Jesus is the uncreated Son of God. What is the Unitarians' position on that?
What does SIL stand for?
Wrangler
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This certainly is the problem that Trinitarians have; death IS certainly THE ULTIMATE change in quality, not just hierarchy.
