Peterlag
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You are mixing the time of this earth with the time of the new earth and then making conclusions based on that confusion.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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dwight92070
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Actually no, they are two different times. On the Last Day, Christ returns and we are resurrected or raptured to meet Him in the clouds. The judgment takes place and it appears that while we are in the clouds, this old earth and heaven will be burned up, and replaced with a new heaven and a new earth and a new Jerusalem. Then we will descend to our new eternal home.
101G
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Oh Lord, next
Peterlag
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1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
A mediator is the third party through whom agreement is reached between two parties previously in conflict with each other. Christ is the mediator of the new covenant, the one whose action makes the covenant possible, and who is the guarantor of its execution. Christ Jesus is the one functioning as a go between, in order to initiate a relationship with us because he is literally connected to both sides, and therefore he is set between God and us. It's our big brother Christ Jesus, who is the one who is acting as a guarantee—to secure something that otherwise would not be obtained. Christ is the better covenant, the new covenant, guaranteeing its terms for the Christian people before the almighty God. Christ Jesus is producing peace for the salvation of his Church and has made a promise of assurance that the new covenant will perform satisfactorily because he is the one who is set between God and us.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
A mediator is the third party through whom agreement is reached between two parties previously in conflict with each other. Christ is the mediator of the new covenant, the one whose action makes the covenant possible, and who is the guarantor of its execution. Christ Jesus is the one functioning as a go between, in order to initiate a relationship with us because he is literally connected to both sides, and therefore he is set between God and us. It's our big brother Christ Jesus, who is the one who is acting as a guarantee—to secure something that otherwise would not be obtained. Christ is the better covenant, the new covenant, guaranteeing its terms for the Christian people before the almighty God. Christ Jesus is producing peace for the salvation of his Church and has made a promise of assurance that the new covenant will perform satisfactorily because he is the one who is set between God and us.
This demonstrates Jesus is God and man.
Joseph Louis Williams: For Christ to be a bridge between man and God, He must, like a physical bridge, be firmly established on both shores. Otherwise the chasm that separated man from God would not be bridged. We would have no mediator. And we would still be lost in our sins. ('Victor Paul Wierwille and The Way International', page 59)
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.
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MTMattie
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But do you figure a 1000 year whatever into the mix?
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”
Rev 22:1 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;
Peterlag
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When I google Victor Paul Wierwille on the trinity I find this. Are you saying Jesus is not God when you quote him?
Peterlag
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Hebrews 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
The intercessor must have standing before God, just as defense attorneys must have standing before the court where they are pleading. Christ Jesus intercedes by placing his incorruptible life at the service of the Christian people to help in the form of a supporter. Christ has undertaken to see to it that this new covenant will not go unfulfilled since this function of the intercessor is related to the divine promise that is in the relation between God's sworn oath and us. Since God is one of the parties involved in the covenant and since there is no higher court that God could represent His covenant in relation to us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for God’s oath to the new covenant. Since we are the other party involved in the covenant and since God has made His Son our brother and Lord, by way of the spirit of Christ within us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for us in the relationship of this new covenant.
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
The intercessor must have standing before God, just as defense attorneys must have standing before the court where they are pleading. Christ Jesus intercedes by placing his incorruptible life at the service of the Christian people to help in the form of a supporter. Christ has undertaken to see to it that this new covenant will not go unfulfilled since this function of the intercessor is related to the divine promise that is in the relation between God's sworn oath and us. Since God is one of the parties involved in the covenant and since there is no higher court that God could represent His covenant in relation to us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for God’s oath to the new covenant. Since we are the other party involved in the covenant and since God has made His Son our brother and Lord, by way of the spirit of Christ within us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for us in the relationship of this new covenant.
Peterlag
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This demonstrates Jesus is God and man.
Joseph Louis Williams: For Christ to be a bridge between man and God, He must, like a physical bridge, be firmly established on both shores. Otherwise the chasm that separated man from God would not be bridged. We would have no mediator. And we would still be lost in our sins. ('Victor Paul Wierwille and The Way International', page 59)
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.
Peterlag
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The life of Jesus, and the subsequent persecution of Christians during the Roman Empire, have come to define what many of us know about early Christianity. The fervent debate, civil strife, and bloody riots as Christianity was coming into being, however, is a side of ancient history rarely described.
Richard E. Rubenstein takes the reader to the streets of fourth-century Rome, when a fateful debate over the divinity of Jesus Christ is being fought. Ruled by a Christian emperor, followers of Jesus no longer fear for the survival of their monotheistic faith. But soon they break into two camps regarding the direction of their worship: Is Jesus the son of God and therefore not the same as God? Or is Jesus precisely God on Earth and therefore equal to Him?
With thorough historical, religious, and social research, Rubenstein vividly recreates one of the most critical moments in the history of religion.
I just believe you did not visit your post#740.
Here a text from literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, renders John 1:18, as Jesus " the only-begotten God supported by oldest manuscripts, the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75, where wordings were described as "original words". There are various readings but not described as the original wordings.
Jhn 1:18 R1 No G3762 one G3762 has seen G3708 God G2316 at any G4455 time G4455 ; R2 the only G3439 begotten G3439 God G2316 who is R3 in the bosom G2859 of the Father G3962 , R4 He has explained G1834 Him
A. I used NASB as it is a literal word for word Bible translation.
B. Yes, the "He" there refer to God the father.
C. And Who will come again in John 14:3?
Jhn 14:1 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
Jhn 14:2 “In My Father’s house are many rooms; if that were not so, I would have told you, because I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will take you to Myself, so that where I am, there you also will be.
101G
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you use the NASB good. the pronoun "he" is also in reference to "him" meaning one person... correct.
NASB 1995
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
NASB 1977
All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
now,
NASB 1995
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,
NASB 1977
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone,
101G ask, "is the ONE PERSON in John 1:3 who MADE ALL THINGS, is the same ONE PERSON in Isaiah 44:24 WHO MADE ALL THINGS", yes or no?
the term "ALONE" means "having no one else present". and the term "By himself" means, 1. "Alone". 2. "Through one's own efforts alone".
so, is this the same "ONE" Person in both scriptures. yes, or no?
101G.
The hyperliteralist sheet that says only words in the bible can be used despite the unitarian's misconceptions when trying to debate by his preferred rules. For the hyperliteralist, God must be made in the image of man rather than man being in the image of God.
If you mean that Jesus is the Father or the Father is Jesus.
How would you explain when Jesus raised His eyes to heaven and prayed to the Father in John 17:1?
Jhn 17:1 Jesus spoke these things; and raising His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, so that the Son may glorify You,
101G
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easy, one word "ECHAD" or "DIVERSITY". and 101G will give you the scripture to back it up with .... plainly for you to see. LISTEN,
While you're in John just back up to John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." BINGO,
he came down from heaven, and while on earth, he is in HEAVEN at the same time while on earth. Learn the strong number "H259 ECHAD" and understand what it really mean.
Did you quote from paraphrase translation?
NASB renders John 3:13b “descended from heaven” not “Son of man which is in heaven.”
There’s a big difference between “from heaven”
than “in heaven.”
Jesus raised His eyes to heaven and prayed to the Father. Jesus was here on earth and the Father was in the heaven. The two were very far apart. Jesus prayed to the Father, I see two person there. The one Who prayed and the one Who hear the prayer.
Jhn 3:13 “No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. (NASB)
