Do you know the real Jesus?
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Looks like power to me
Hebrews 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
101G
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@TomL, @civic, @Runningman, @Fred. your brother Keiw1 may need a bit of help on his statement, but it's an edification for all. nope he the Lord Jesus laid it, (his power), see Phil. 2:7, aside..... now if what you said Keiw 1 is true, then is it the Father you say "God always has it" (POWER) then it is the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne in chapter 4 and 5. because the Lord Jesus was given power. now if you say the Lord Jesus sits on the throne, then tell us how he, the Lord Jesus the Lamb, stand before the very throne that he sits on.
or if you say otherwise that it is the Father who sits on the throne.... then tell us who gave the Father POWER then. book chapter and verse please.
for the one who sits on the throne was given power. see Rev 4:11.
101G will be looking for each of your answers.
101G.
He is not a stone idol
nor is he a liar
Revelation 3:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
and no one gave him power
Think
Revelation 5:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
Are you going to say he was without wisdom as well and needed someone to give it to him
BTW seeing as you hold there is an equal share of God in the Lamb and God (father and son)
Your own argument works against you
Hello
101G
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lol, lol, lol, answer the question, "is it the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne in heaven, or your one whom you call the father", which one? your answer please.
101G.
You are capable of reading
Revelation 3:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
You were given the answer already
101G
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ok 101G will answer that for you. in heaven it's the Lord Jesus sitting on the throne in heaven.... and those who overcome here on earth will sit with him in his father "David" throne here on earth.
101G have answered your question, now can you answer 101G question...... "who sits on the throne in heaven in chapter 4 & 5 the Lord Jesus or the one whom you calls the father? your answer please..... (smile).
101G
101G
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@TomL,
understand, Just because a vision is given in heaven, it does not necessary mean that the EVENT took place in heaven. now read, Revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." is this address to the church that is on earth? yes. now, are they who overcome is in heaven NOW? ... no. so it's not directed to anyone in heaven as of now, for there are many to yet overcome. and the throne of David that is given to the rightful heir is here on EARTH.
now, what about that question 101G asked?
101G.
understand, Just because a vision is given in heaven, it does not necessary mean that the EVENT took place in heaven. now read, Revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." is this address to the church that is on earth? yes. now, are they who overcome is in heaven NOW? ... no. so it's not directed to anyone in heaven as of now, for there are many to yet overcome. and the throne of David that is given to the rightful heir is here on EARTH.
now, what about that question 101G asked?
101G.
Maybe I was wrong when I stated
"You are capable of reading"
Revelation 3:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You were given the answer already
101G
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so is your answer that the father sits on the throne, yes or no? 101G wants to be sure..... your answer please.
101G
101G
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don't all of U answer all at once. but 101G will help you fellas out.
A. if it's the father who sits on the throne in heaven, then give book chapter and verse as to who gave your father power
B. if it's the Lord Jesus who is the Lamb, then please tell us how the Lamb sit as well as stand before the throne he sits on..... and Oh yes, the answer is in the bible...... (smile).
101G.
A. if it's the father who sits on the throne in heaven, then give book chapter and verse as to who gave your father power
B. if it's the Lord Jesus who is the Lamb, then please tell us how the Lamb sit as well as stand before the throne he sits on..... and Oh yes, the answer is in the bible...... (smile).
101G.
Yes Jesus sits on the throne here-Rev 6:2--that is where you are erring.
101G
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LOL, LOL, LOL, that's the anti Christ... Oh boy... Revelation 6:2 "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
a "bow" is a cheap fabric. listen to the definition.
BOW: G5115 τόξον toxon (to'-xon) n.
a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric).
[from the base of G5088]
KJV: bow
Root(s): G5088
and the crown: G4735 στέφανος stephanos (ste'-fa-nos) n.
a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally).
{literally or figuratively; more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple, narrow fillet or diadem (G1238)}
[from an apparently primary stepho “to twine or wreathe”]
KJV: crown
now my LORD he wear MANY CROWNS. Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:14 "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
CROWNS: G1238 διάδημα diadema (diy-a'-d̮ee-ma) n.
a “diadem” (as bound about the head).
{simpler and thinner than G4735}
[from a compound of G1223 and G1210]
KJV: crown
Root(s): G1223, G1210
101G
101G
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that throne is on EARTH. 4 and 5 only ONE sits on the throne in heaven... YOU READ, Revelation 4:1 "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."
verse 2 "A Throne w as ... SET .... in heaven.
Set: G2749 κεῖμαι keimai (kei'-mai) v.
to lie outstretched.
{literally or figuratively}
[middle voice of a primary verb]
KJV: be (appointed, laid up, made, set), lay, lie
now one "SAT" on the throne
SAT: G2521 κάθημαι kathemai (ka'-thee-mai) v.
1. to sit down.
2. (figuratively) to remain, reside.
[from G2596 and hemai “to sit” (akin to the base of G1476)]
KJV: dwell, sit (by, down)
Root(s): G2596
only ONE RESIDE, REMAIN.
now YOU READ again, "SET" and not "SIT" listen and LEARN, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne." see that term "SET" and not "Sit". now Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."
SET: G2523 καθίζω kathizo (ka-thiy'-zō) v.
1. to seat down, i.e. set.
2. (figuratively) appoint.
3. (intransitively) to sit (down).
4. (figuratively) to settle (hover, dwell).
[another form (active) for G2516]
KJV: continue, set, sit (down), tarry
definition #2. Oh my how hard is it?. just use a little, not much of COMMON SENSE.
now, can you still read.... lol. oh my.
101G.
101G
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now let's expose your IGNORANCE again. Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."
of HIM, of HIM, of HIM. Him is a single person designation. now, only one sits on the throne.... (smile), your choice as to who sits, and 101G question still stand. for only "ONE" sits on the throne in chapter 4 and 5. KNOWING that, 101G question still stand.
A. if it's the father who sits on the throne in heaven, then give book chapter and verse as to who gave your father power
B. if it's the Lord Jesus who is the Lamb, then please tell us how the Lamb sit as well as stand before the throne he sits on..... and Oh yes, the answer is in the bible...... (smile).
see, there is no way of getting around this you must answer the question as to who sits on the throne. ..... (smile). now one can LIE, or one can find the TRUTH, (which is right in the bible). the choice is for all people. ...... (smile).
YIKES!so, it's either the Father or the Son who sits on the throne..... 101G clearly with a LOUD VOICE say it is the Lord Jesus, who sits on the throne, and it is the same Lord Jesus who stand before the very throne he sits on. see, 101G can say this with confidence because 101G has scriptures to back 101G up what 101G states .....
cool. 101G thank God he doesn't have to guess at thing, KNOW.your answer PLEASE..... see 101G said ... "PLEASE".
101G
101G
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To all my trinitarians, and @Fred and @civic
our brother needs a little help. no matter who sits on the throne, only ONE sits on the throne in Heaven, Chapter 4 and 5. 101G question still stand,
A. if it's the father who sits on the throne in heaven, then give book chapter and verse as to who gave your father power
B. if it's the Lord Jesus who is the Lamb, then please tell us how the Lamb sit as well as stand before the throne he sits on.
so can we give our brother some HELP in explaining this impasse as to who and why the one is sitting on the throne is very important in understanding the Godhead. please use scripture in your response..... thanks in advance.
101G believes this will edify all everywhere.
101G
our brother needs a little help. no matter who sits on the throne, only ONE sits on the throne in Heaven, Chapter 4 and 5. 101G question still stand,
A. if it's the father who sits on the throne in heaven, then give book chapter and verse as to who gave your father power
B. if it's the Lord Jesus who is the Lamb, then please tell us how the Lamb sit as well as stand before the throne he sits on.
so can we give our brother some HELP in explaining this impasse as to who and why the one is sitting on the throne is very important in understanding the Godhead. please use scripture in your response..... thanks in advance.
101G believes this will edify all everywhere.
101G
Sorry you just ignored thisnow let's expose your IGNORANCE again. Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."
of HIM, of HIM, of HIM. Him is a single person designation. now, only one sits on the throne.... (smile), your choice as to who sits, and 101G question still stand. for only "ONE" sits on the throne in chapter 4 and 5. KNOWING that, 101G question still stand.
A. if it's the father who sits on the throne in heaven, then give book chapter and verse as to who gave your father power
B. if it's the Lord Jesus who is the Lamb, then please tell us how the Lamb sit as well as stand before the throne he sits on..... and Oh yes, the answer is in the bible...... (smile).
see, there is no way of getting around this you must answer the question as to who sits on the throne. ..... (smile). now one can LIE, or one can find the TRUTH, (which is right in the bible). the choice is for all people. ...... (smile).
so, it's either the Father or the Son who sits on the throne..... 101G clearly with a LOUD VOICE say it is the Lord Jesus, who sits on the throne, and it is the same Lord Jesus who stand before the very throne he sits on. see, 101G can say this with confidence because 101G has scriptures to back 101G up what 101G states .....
your answer PLEASE..... see 101G said ... "PLEASE".
101G
"and am set down with my Father in his throne."
Showing your own ignorance
BTW you also ignored my previous observation
that you testify against your own position. Remember you stated an equal share of God was in each
So when did your equal shares becomes powerless?
You are in this position because you misread the passage. No one is giving him power
Revelation 7:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Will you claim God was without wisdom as well as power?
Good grief
Revelation 3:21–22 (UASV) — 21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, just as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the congregations.’
Revelation 3:21 (NASB 2020) — 21 The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.
Revelation 3:21 (LEB) — 21 The one who conquers, I will grant to him to sit down with me on my throne, as I also have conquered and have sat down with my Father on his throne.
Get a better argument
P.S. and earth is not mentioned
