Do you know the real Jesus?

Psalm 110:1--The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord( Jesus, sit at my right hand until i make your enemies as a footstool for your feet.
Jehovah is a living being.
You twist what is being said.
Just simply, plainly, and clearly shows Jesus and God are not the same person in the Bible. I realized something recently. With the Bible, people will find what they believe and not accept it be false even when the English language proves it’s false. Instead of coming to grips with reality, they will instead deny reality and deny basic English because they think English must be wrong and their beliefs true. That’s your run of the mill Trinitarian in a nutshell.
 
Through him= another did it.
You still avoid the point

Without him nothing was made

He could not make himself so he was unmade

(NWT) John 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence

seeing as he could not be involved in his own creation (nothing was made without him) he was uncreated
 
sit in POWER... WHY? because a sitting priest is at rest form his work..... he sits because he put an end to sacrifices. and in that sitting on the right hand or side is a figure of speech meaning in POWER, hence why he sits on the throne, which represent all power..... hello... got that?

right hand or right side is not a physical position, "That's fleshly thinking". so, do yourself a favor google or look up what the right hand of God means... OK.

101G.
He didn't get the crown and'sit on the throne until here-Rev 6:2= here in these last days.
 
He didn't get the crown and'sit on the throne until here-Rev 6:2= here in these last days.
ERROR he had it all the time even when he came in human flesh. Matthew 2:1 "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem," Matthew 2:2 "Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him."
prophecy,
Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

Matthew 2:6 "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel."

and God is the ONLY "GOVERNOR" of the Nations, hence RULER/KING. Psalms 22:28 "For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations."

101G
 
ERROR he had it all the time even when he came in human flesh. Matthew 2:1 "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem," Matthew 2:2 "Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him."
prophecy,
Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

Matthew 2:6 "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel."

and God is the ONLY "GOVERNOR" of the Nations, hence RULER/KING. Psalms 22:28 "For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations."

101G
Not wise to call God a liar-He inspired Rev 6:2--Yes Jehovah was king. He appointed Jesus to a kingship=Dan 7:13-15--See the words one like a son of man= a created being was appointed toa kingship. The ancient of days=Jehovah.
 
Rev 6:2--Yes Jehovah was king. He appointed Jesus to a kingship=Dan 7:13-15--See the words one like a son of man= a created being was appointed toa kingship. The ancient of days=Jehovah.
101G started not to answer this, but one more time. Nonsense. Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him."

the Ancient of days... LISTEN, Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."

now the Lord Jesus, Revelation 1:12 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;" Revelation 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle." Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;" Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."

same hair, same eyes, same feet ... THE SAME PERSON.... oh MY.... when will they ever LEARN.

101G.
 
Catholicism errors mislead you. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation. Reality= ALL creation occurred at the beginning.
Sorry i gave you the text.

Do you have anything which actually denies the text

(NWT)Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even oone thing came into existence. What has come into existence

your own scripture refutes you
 
I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.
'All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.'

(2Tim. 3:16-17)

Hello @Peterlag,

Because you have professed not to believe in the deity of Christ, I am reluctant to agree with you on anything, I confess. However, what you say in this entry is correct, for though all Scripture is FOR the man of God, not all is ABOUT him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
2)John 17:1-6,26--Jesus is 100% clear= the one who sent him= Father( Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.--Verse 6=Jehovah, verse 26= Jehovah= The Father.
3) John 4:22-24-- YOU worship what you do not know--but the true followers will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth)))--No mention of a trinity by Jesus. Why?=John 17:3--The Father is the only true God.

Just by those 3 teachings one can see clear if their teachers have Jesus or not. And when ones teachers do not match Jesus= Run from them.

John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?
Hello @Keiw1,

Like @Peterlag, you do not believe in the deity of Christ, and so I am reluctant to engage with you: but you do not know what a Christian is; that is clear from your OP. You are seeking to bring your own righteousness to God, like Cain who brought of the fruit of the ground to offer to God, and so his offering was not accepted. Your righteousness, like my own, is as filthy rags, only the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ is the offering that God will accept. The Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. Only by coming to the Father through His Son, and the all-sufficiency of His one sacrifice for sin, can the Believer come to the Father, and receive forgiveness of sin, and t,he hope of eternal life through Him.

The Lord Jesus Christ humbled Himself, and laid His glory by, in order to take upon Himself the form of a man, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross, that He may destroy the work of the Devil and deliver the believer from the power of the grave.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
2)John 17:1-6,26--Jesus is 100% clear= the one who sent him= Father( Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.--Verse 6=Jehovah, verse 26= Jehovah= The Father.
3) John 4:22-24-- YOU worship what you do not know--but the true followers will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth)))--No mention of a trinity by Jesus. Why?=John 17:3--The Father is the only true God.

Just by those 3 teachings one can see clear if their teachers have Jesus or not. And when ones teachers do not match Jesus= Run from them.

John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?
@Complete tells me you like me do not believe in the trinity. Perhaps you would enjoy a post I just put up called Data on John 1:1
 
'Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God,
thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made Himself of no reputation,
and took upon Him the form of a servant,
and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man,
He humbled himself,
and became obedient unto death,
even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him,
and given Him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of things in heaven,
and things in earth,
and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.'

(Php 2:5-11))

Praise His Holy Name!
 
'All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.'

(2Tim. 3:16-17)

Hello @Peterlag,

Because you have professed not to believe in the deity of Christ, I am reluctant to agree with you on anything, I confess. However, what you say in this entry is correct, for though all Scripture is FOR the man of God, not all is ABOUT him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Yes I agree. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, but not all Scripture is addressed to us the Christian. More on this is in chapter 2 of my online book that you can read here... https://www.carb-fat.com/jesus.html
 
@Complete tells me you like me do not believe in the trinity. Perhaps you would enjoy a post I just put up called Data on John 1:1
Hello @Peterlag,

I believe in the deity of Christ: and so I want nothing to do with what you and those on the forum who believe like yourself have to say in opposition.

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Now risen and glorified,
and sat at God's right hand.
Chris
 
Just simply, plainly, and clearly shows Jesus and God are not the same person in the Bible. I realized something recently. With the Bible, people will find what they believe and not accept it be false even when the English language proves it’s false. Instead of coming to grips with reality, they will instead deny reality and deny basic English because they think English must be wrong and their beliefs true. That’s your run of the mill Trinitarian in a nutshell.
well duh no trin says they are the same person, anymore strawmen for us today ?
 
Do you know the real Jesus from a fake ?

How to test the spirits as John taught us below.

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

We are warned not only from Jesus but Peter,Paul and John about false teachers that would arise among the flock of God. Here in this most important passage the apostle John lays out for us a way to know for sure if a “prophet or teacher” is of God or the spirit of antichrist. Remember there are only one of 2 spirits that any message being communicated about Jesus can be from, the first is the Spirit of God and the other is the spirit of antichrist. Believe it or not the apostle John gives us the tests to prove whether one speaks by the Spirit of God or antichrist regarding the person of Jesus. We need to ask ourselves what does it actually mean to confess Jesus has come in the flesh? This becomes the litmus test for the Christian or we can call it the lie detector test. We can hook someone up to the polygraph machine on this one and detect the truth from a lie, the Spirit of God verse the spirit of antichrist. Did you in order to spot a counterfeit, the agents in banks are not trained by studying fake $100 bills but the real ones? It is only in knowing the genuine articles that the fakes are easily spotted. Such is the case with the bible. Unless you know it, you will accept a fake and believe it is real. John lets us know in his epistle how to spot a counterfeit.

To confess- NT:3670

1. homologeo (‎o(mologe/w‎, NT:3670), lit., "to speak the same thing" (homos, "same," lego, "to speak"), "to assent, accord, agree with," denotes, (a) "to confess, declare, admit,"

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

To confess means to agree with, say the same thing or to admit what has been declared about Christ. What John is telling his readers is that they must agree with him what has been declared about Jesus. When we look at John writings we see that The Word was God and the Word became(a coming with an abiding effect)flesh. This is fundamental to the Christian faith the Incarnation. God became(permanently) man and dwelt among us. John makes that clear when he says that Jesus has come in the flesh.

Has come- this is in the perfect tense which means a past action with continuing results in the present. John is telling us at the time he penned these words that Jesus came in the flesh in the past and that He continues in the flesh in the present, well after His ascension to the Father. Christ took upon Himself flesh and this has become His permanent dwelling. This is a direct refutation of the Gnostic Cerinthus who taught that Christ only temporarily assumed a body.

So we can see from John here that anyone that does not agree the Jesus is both permanently God and man is the spirit of antichrist and this persons message is not from God. John is writing after the resurrection and is using perfect tense in Greek which denotes a past action with continuing results into the present, and continuing on through eternity. Christ came in the flesh, He rose from the dead in the flesh, Ascended into heaven in the flesh and is now 2000 years later still in the flesh. The same body that He was born and died with that still bare the marks of His crucifixion, He rose with from the grave. If one claims that Christ rose as a spirit being and not in His physical material body of flesh and bones, they are of the spirit of antichrist. One cannot deny the Deity of Jesus or His humanity. Those who deny any of these truths according to John do not have the Father, the Son or the Spirit.

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.



Erchomenon
the present participle in 2 John 7

Alford
- the present tense is timeless(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Brooke- the Incarnation is not only an event in history, it is an abiding truth(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Stott- the two natures manhood and Godhood were united already at His birth, never to be divided. In 1 John 4:2 and here in 2 John 7 emphasizes this permanent union of the natures in the One Person ( TNTC pages 209-210) He who denies the Incarnation is not just a deceiver and an antichrist but “the deceiver and the antichrist”. There is in this heresy a double affront: it opposes Christ and deceives men.(stott TNCT page 210)

Marshall- the use of the present and perfect tenses becomes significant if the point is that Jesus Christ had come and still existed “in flesh”. For him(John) it was axiomatic that there had been a true Incarnation, that the word became flesh and remained flesh. It is a point that receives much stress in 1 John 2:18-28;4:1-6;5:5-8. (NICNT pages 70-71)

Smalley- the present tense emphasizes the permanent union of the human and Divine natures in Jesus. Gods self disclosure in Jesus took place at a particular moment in history , but it has continuing effects in the present and into the future(Word Biblical Commentary page 317)

Nicoll- the continuous manifestation of the Incarnate Christ(Expositors Greek Testament Volume 5 page 202)

Akin- Much has been made of the fact that John uses the present tense in this Christological confession. Literally the verse reads, “Jesus Christ coming in flesh.” “Coming” is a present active participle. This stands out in remarkable contrast to the affirmation of 1 John 4:2, where the text states that “Jesus Christ has [emphasis mine] come in the flesh.” There the perfect active participle is used. The key, it seems, is to discover what John is affirming. Here in 2 John the emphasis falls on the abiding reality of the incarnation. First John 4:2 teaches that the Christ, the Father’s Son (v. 3), has come in the flesh. Second John affirms that the wedding of deity and humanity has an abiding reality (cf. 1 Tim 2:5). The ontological and essential nature of the incarnation that would receive eloquent expression one thousand years later in the writing of St. Anselm (1033–1109) in his classic Cur Deus Homo is already present in seed form in the tiny and neglected letter of 2 John.

Lenski- In 1 John 4:2 we have ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα, the perfect participle, “as having come in flesh” (incarnate, John 1:14); here we have ἐρχόμενον ἐν σαρκί, “as coming in flesh,” although the participle is present in form it is really timeless.


of Christ as "still being manifested." See the note at 1 John 3:5. In 1 John 4:2 we have the manifestation treated as a past fact by the perfect tense, ‎eleeluthota ‎"has come

Robertson- That Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh Ieesoun ‎‎Christon ‎‎erchomenon ‎‎en ‎‎sarki‎. "Jesus Christ coming in the flesh." Present middle participle of ‎erchomai treating the Incarnation as a continuing fact which the Docetic Gnostics flatly denied. In 1 John 4:2 we have ‎eleeluthota ‎(perfect active participle) in this same construction with ‎homologeoo‎, because there the reference is to the definite historical fact of the Incarnation.

Vincent- Is come erchomenon‎. Wrong. The verb is in the present participle, "coming," which describes the manhood

hope this helps !!!
the uni fails the testing of the spirits test. the Greek is the nail in their coffin.
 
To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
2)John 17:1-6,26--Jesus is 100% clear= the one who sent him= Father( Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.--Verse 6=Jehovah, verse 26= Jehovah= The Father.
3) John 4:22-24-- YOU worship what you do not know--but the true followers will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth)))--No mention of a trinity by Jesus. Why?=John 17:3--The Father is the only true God.

Just by those 3 teachings one can see clear if their teachers have Jesus or not. And when ones teachers do not match Jesus= Run from them.

John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?
and yet THIS same JESUS said to them do this as often as you drink it in remembrance of me .
But the watchtower says , YE CANNOT partcipate in this lest ye are of the one hundred and forty four thousand .
SO whose following teaching contrary to CHRIST . Folks had better watch out
for many have been following men , NOT GOD , NOT HIS CHRIST .
I was about to type and ask have you ever sat in a JW church and watched them pass around
the communion . NOW WHY IS it you dont see anyone sipping or breaking the bread .
however seeing you are a JW you know this already .
What i say to the RCC i say to the Tower of the JW , beware for many have crept in and have lorded themselves over flocks
and lead men astray by the precepts of men .
But it is within many other places as well . I suggest , and do so with upmost urgency , that folks stop trusting
in their systems and start rather learning about THE FATHER , THE SON and all holy words HE did inspire in the BIBLE .
Which , by the way the KJV is not corrupt . Start reading for yourself and beware of men for many now lead this people astray .
 
the uni fails the testing of the spirits test. the Greek is the nail in their coffin.
I have a question my dear friend .
WHY is it more and more now unify as one with those who through interfaith do lead this people astray .
I mean take a good long peek at where INTERFAITH has led this people too .
YOU SEE the spirit behind these spirits who preach such things as , the christain truth is no better than the muslim
or any other religion .
Now do feel free to correct what i next time if you really THINK ITS WRONG .
The last time i checked all other religoins DENY JESUS IS THE VERY CHRIST .
THEY all call GOD a liar for they reject the TESTIMONY HE gave OF HIS SON .
so how on earth DO THEY EVEN HAVE THE TRUTH . WHEN THE FATHER , THE WORD , The SPIRIT
are TRUTH and TESTIFY OF JESUS THE CHRIST . i mean how on earth are these rejecters ,unbelievers
Truth even TRUTH at all .
And now a word .
He is a liar , who denies JESUS is THE CHRIST , HE is anti christ .
HE who believes not the testimony that GOD gave of JESUS the CHRIST HIS SON , BE CALLING GOD A LIAR .
quick question , if one is calling GOD a liar , HOW THEN DO THEY HAVE TRUTH . Exactly . THEY blind .
 
To all,
The topic is "Do you know the real Jesus?" and John 1:1-3 keep coming up. Good, but do we all clearly understand what John 1:1 & 3 are saying?

this is God in Flesh, in a state of ECHAD. and yes he (God) the Lord Jesus made all things. because Isaiah by God declare this. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the LORD, all caps MADE ALL THINGS. and he was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF". do we see the implication here? A. by being "ALOINE", and "BY HIMSELF" there was no one else to go through. B. by being alone, and by himself when he MADE ALL THINGS, then the other two so called Godhead persons are not Omni Present.

are we really read in truth or still blindly following what we were told?

101G.
 
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