Do you know the real Jesus?

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

and the Holy Spirit says to you "nothing could be further from the truth then your post"

and now a word .
Whereunto shall we liken this generation who has heaped upon itself teachers who preach things that so tickle the ears
and have even omitted the severity of GOD and now preach even a false goodness of GOD .
It is like a man who went on a journey to find this great paradise . He cometh unto a church
and asks the leader how may i find this great land of paradise . And the leader says
alas i shall bring you to this paradise you do seek .
So he takes the man on a plane and they fly to the most beautiful island ever seen .
And the leader of said church says behold your great paradise , behold these lovely green trees
that bear great and wondeful fruit . behold the beautiful ocean that surrounds you and the lovely sand upon which you walk .
And the man cried with joy , THIS IS MY PARADISE , and he gave unto the leader all that he owned
and went and bought that land .
The leader then says , ALAS its yours and i must leave quickly now to go bring others to help you build in this great
and wonderful paradise .
So the leader goes back to the plane and takes off .
And the man says WOW this land is beautiful , what wonderous joy awaits me .
And he walks along his new beach and dips his feet into the water and says alas i have paradise at my feet .
He soon walks and sees a sign upon the beach line and it says
IF You are reading this then know and understand that you are waking during LOW TIDE
and at any time HIGH TIDE will rise and destroy this good land .
THE man they cries aloud . OH what will i do , for i have sold all my goods for this land
I cannot go to warn anyone for here i am trapped .
AND suddenly a large wave can be seen rising in the distance
and the man cries , I have been decieved , WHY didnt you warn me O LORD .
And the wave draws closer and closer and then a still small voice
says to the man . I DID warn you i had sent men unto you who preached BOTH the severity of GOD and the GOODNESS of GOD
but you chose to heed men who omitted the warnings and you sought your own simple paradise .
AND NOW COMETH SUDDEN DESTRUCTION . And the man cries , you mean those bible thumpers , but my pastor told me
they were haters who not GOD or love .
and now another word .
Had the man took notice of said leader he would have seen said leader take off his woolen white garments
as he got on his jet and seen a WOLF flying . Wolves know how to preach that which sounds GOOD and pleasing to the flesh
but remember the end of the man who heeds them is DESTRUCTION .

 

[TomL]

I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.

Funny I do not know of any knowledgeable Christians who believe that

 

[101G]

The REAL JESUS? the Holy Spirit.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

Funny I do not know of any knowledgeable Christians who believe that

Yeah this is very sad that so many Christians do not know what part of the Bible is addressed to them.

 

[Runningman]

Sorry i gave you the text.

Do you have anything which actually denies the text

(NWT)Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even oone thing came into existence. What has come into existence

your own scripture refutes you

While I am not a JW, I will look at this verse in the NWT. It's quite similar to other versions like the NIV or KJV. It debunks the Word being the Creator. It says the Word with God in verse 2 then in verse 3 the pronoun "him" refers to the closest noun. That would mean the Word is not the one being referred to as the one all things came into existence through.

John 1 (NWT)
1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2  This one was in the beginning with God. 3  All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

 

[Runningman]

well duh no trin says they are the same person, anymore strawmen for us today ?

It proves that God is a singular person and not a group of persons or status. Are you confessing that Jesus is not God?

 

[civic]

It proves that God is a singular person and not a group of persons or status. Are you confessing that Jesus is not God?

I'm confessing what the Apostles, Prophets, The Father and the Son declare- The Son is God.

And nowhere does the Bible ever state: God is a solitary, single person.

next fallacy.

 

[Runningman]

I'm confessing what the Apostles, Prophets, The Father and the Son declare- The Son is God.

And nowhere does the Bible ever state: God is a solitary, single person.

next fallacy.

God is repeatedly called one singular God known as the Father in the Bible.

Ephesians 4:6 ESV​

One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV​

Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV​

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

1 Timothy 2:5 ESV​

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

James 2:19 ESV​

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

John 17:3 ESV​

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

 

[civic]

God is repeatedly called one singular God known as the Father in the Bible.

Ephesians 4:6 ESV​

One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV​

Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV​

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

1 Timothy 2:5 ESV​

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

James 2:19 ESV​

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

John 17:3 ESV​

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

nothing there about God being one person

nice attempt but your presuppositions are self evident.

 

[Runningman]

nothing there about God being one person

nice attempt but your presuppositions are self evident.

The person you also call "father" in your trinity is called The Father, the one God in Christianity. Ephesians 4:4-6 is a slam dunk.

 

[civic]

The person you also call "father" in your trinity is called The Father, the one God in Christianity. Ephesians 4:4-6 is a slam dunk.

No He is one Person in the Godhead

 

[Keiw1]

101G started not to answer this, but one more time. Nonsense. Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him."

the Ancient of days... LISTEN, Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."

now the Lord Jesus, Revelation 1:12 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;" Revelation 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle." Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;" Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."

same hair, same eyes, same feet ... THE SAME PERSON.... oh MY.... when will they ever LEARN.

101G.

Jehovah could be trillions of years old. Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation, he could be many billions of years old, thus both can have white hair-White generally refers to righteous in the bible.
Rev also is clear that 7:10-- God is on the throne, the lamb is not.

 

[Keiw1]

Sorry i gave you the text.

Do you have anything which actually denies the text

(NWT)Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even oone thing came into existence. What has come into existence

your own scripture refutes you

Through him= another did the creating. Apart from him includes him being part of the creation.

 

[Keiw1]

Hello @Keiw1,

Like @Peterlag, you do not believe in the deity of Christ, and so I am reluctant to engage with you: but you do not know what a Christian is; that is clear from your OP. You are seeking to bring your own righteousness to God, like Cain who brought of the fruit of the ground to offer to God, and so his offering was not accepted. Your righteousness, like my own, is as filthy rags, only the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ is the offering that God will accept. The Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. Only by coming to the Father through His Son, and the all-sufficiency of His one sacrifice for sin, can the Believer come to the Father, and receive forgiveness of sin, and t,he hope of eternal life through Him.

The Lord Jesus Christ humbled Himself, and laid His glory by, in order to take upon Himself the form of a man, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross, that He may destroy the work of the Devil and deliver the believer from the power of the grave.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Paul backs Jesus 100%--1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all, the Father-)))--not father, son and holy spirit. Its100% fact Catholicism by satans will screwed it all up to mislead.

 

[Keiw1]

@Complete tells me you like me do not believe in the trinity. Perhaps you would enjoy a post I just put up called Data on John 1:1

I appreciate your thoughts, but i know the facts of John 1:1 and the facts that Jesus was never with Catholicism and they screwed it all up to mislead.

@Complete tells me you like me do not believe in the trinity. Perhaps you would enjoy a post I just put up called Data on John 1:1

Where is that?

 

[Keiw1]

and yet THIS same JESUS said to them do this as often as you drink it in remembrance of me .
But the watchtower says , YE CANNOT partcipate in this lest ye are of the one hundred and forty four thousand .
SO whose following teaching contrary to CHRIST . Folks had better watch out
for many have been following men , NOT GOD , NOT HIS CHRIST .
I was about to type and ask have you ever sat in a JW church and watched them pass around
the communion . NOW WHY IS it you dont see anyone sipping or breaking the bread .
however seeing you are a JW you know this already .
What i say to the RCC i say to the Tower of the JW , beware for many have crept in and have lorded themselves over flocks
and lead men astray by the precepts of men .
But it is within many other places as well . I suggest , and do so with upmost urgency , that folks stop trusting
in their systems and start rather learning about THE FATHER , THE SON and all holy words HE did inspire in the BIBLE .
Which , by the way the KJV is not corrupt . Start reading for yourself and beware of men for many now lead this people astray .

Only members of the little flock were present at the Lords evening meal. If one carefully study's the matter they find these facts-Luke 22:29-30--A covenant made to only those who will sit on thrones)))= The little flock( Luke 12:32) these are numbered=144,000 bought from the earth(Rev 14:3)-The great crowd( Rev 7:9) no man can number)= John 10:16--Other sheep who are not of that fold)))-fold = little flock. The little flock=Rev 1:6,, Rev 20:6)
Paul warned all are not worthy to partake( 1Cor 11:27-28) approve oneself after scrutiny= proving they are of the little flock)--Its a major sin to partake if not of the little flock. The little flock are the anointed bride of Christ-the only ones promised heaven anywhere in Gods bible.

 

[101G]

jehovah could be trillions of years old.

First ERROR,

Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation

from the dead,

he could be many billions of years old

Second ERROR

thus both can have white hair-White generally refers to righteous in the bible.

Personal Opinion? or is this fact with the Lord Jesus and the A. of D.

Rev also is clear that 7:10-- God is on the throne, the lamb is not.

if true, then who is more powerful than God who as you tried to point out minus the Lamb, that Gave God power? now 101G have scripture where the Lamb was given POWER, and sits on the throne.... (smile).

now post book chapter and verse as to who gave God power, minus the Lamb.

101G

 

[TomL]

Through him= another did the creating. Apart from him includes him being part of the creation.

No another employed him to do the creating

(NWT)Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence

and all things came through him and apart from him nothing came into existence

So he cannot be a part of creation and the watchtower has lied to you

 

[Keiw1]

First ERROR,

from the dead,

Second ERROR

Personal Opinion? or is this fact with the Lord Jesus and the A. of D.

if true, then who is more powerful than God who as you tried to point out minus the Lamb, that Gave God power? now 101G have scripture where the Lamb was given POWER, and sits on the throne.... (smile).

now post book chapter and verse as to who gave God power, minus the Lamb.

101G

Yes Jesus was given power because he did not have it. God always has it. Given power by the one who is greater than him=his Father Jehovah the only true God.

 

[Keiw1]

No another employed him to do the creating

(NWT)Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence

and all things came through him and apart from him nothing came into existence

So he cannot be a part of creation and the watchtower has lied to you

God will show the whole world.