civic
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real science proves the bible , its history, creation account, the origins of life is true.
and btw show some respect for God and His word which is the truth, not myths or fables.
Do physical bodies die because of Adam's sin?
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and btw show some respect for God and His word which is the truth, not myths or fables.
Where have we not shown respect to science?
If you're looking for respect for your god of death (allah), it ain't going to happen.
civic
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he believes in the unscientic age of billions of years and death before sin. Both which are not provable and unbiblical.
MTMattie
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Thank you for making a point that I maintain. Adam was not first man. for first man was made on day 6 along with woman
Gen 1
26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
As to Adam.... Where do you read third day for his being made, and Eve on day 6?
Gen 2
4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven. 5Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 6But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. 8The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. 9Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
15Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. 16The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
18Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” 19Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. 21So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.
THEN....
23The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
BUT did the man continue on with verse 24? If not where did it come from?
24For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
No matter... I want to know who Adam's Mother was. And also who was the mother of EVE?
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
what an ignorant question. did you not read? Genesis 2:21 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;" Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."
now if you want to ARGUE over what God did .... go for it ... you're on your own. 101G will stay with scriptures.
ERROR, first, Eve is not a plant. did you not read again, Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." even plants, trees and flowers, fruit and grain, from one seed, reseed themselves and produce new crops, new flowers, new saplings. read Genesis 1:11 again.
now us HUMAN from "ONE SEED" that is supplied from our father/sperm, and one seed from our mother/egg we get "us".
Not all flesh is the same. ... even here on earth. scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." 1 Corinthians 15:40 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."
now as said if you want to argue ..... argue by yourself.
101G.
101G
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First thanks for the reply, second, ERROR, LISTEN, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." please note not a Help ... "MATE".
The Help Meet
(The Animals)
Let's get to two truths here at one time, the definition of HELP MEET is not a wife for Adam, (not here), the man, no, but we will see a modern day, TODAY, revelation on understanding this "Help Meet". #1.Help Meet: H5828 עֵזֶר `ezer (ay'-zer) n-m.(The Animals)
aid.
[from H5826]
KJV: help.
an aide, when is meet and used as a noun in, “An assistant who helps a more senior or skilled person”. this union is better known as a counterpart. a help as his counterpart. (and since the woman has not yet been brought forth, for a wife), the help meet here in the animals is, or has ANOTHER FUNCTION. and here it is. the native here in American, and indigenous people around the world have been telling us for ever, that man and animals are one in maintaining this planet. we should respect the ecology of this planet. we are to live as ONE on this planet.
God made animals for a reason. THE CYCLE OF LIFE, (which is another whole topic by itself). many think the "help meet" is only the wife of the MAN, to reproduce, NO, we say again, NO, not in context here to this planet, in these verses. a help meet is a counterpart that helps in an endeavor. and here, in Genesis, it's the animals in helping man, who is senior or skilled person, for God gave man dominion. the animals was formed from the ground, and in the water, to help in the maintaining of this planet LIFE, it’s ecosystems.
as said, the indigenous people, around the world have been warning us about LIVING together with the animals on this planet, as one. as we have …. TODAY … made an imbalance in nature, and this is why we have, what we call today, CLIMATE CHANGE, is just about out of control. because we have no respect for NATURE, and the animals God gave to us for the maintenance of this planet. and all animals have different functions. some predatory, (to maintain the weak and diseased), some are scavengers, (to keep clean), ect…as with plant eaters, and the food chain animals from the bottom up.
so the term HELP MEET do not mean a wife for Adam, (not here in these scriptures, but later), animals are the COUNTERPART in helping to maintain the different ecosystem that God has made for this, our, planet survival. yes, we have it today, “CLIMATE CHANGE”, it is real, and it is happening now. The Animals was made to assist MAN in maintaining LIFE on this PLANET.
hope this helped.
101G.
101G
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Greeting, first ... 101G believes that Adam was the first man
scripture, Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
see that term, "before" in the scripture above? before these things ... God made man. and these things listed here, plants of the fields, and every herb was made on DAY 3. scripture, Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."
so, before the third DAY, or ion the third DAY, "BEFORE" the herbs was in the fields and grew Gpod had already made man. this is backed up in Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."
a. Adam was ALONE. b. God made the animals out of the Ground, including the fowl of the air and brought them unto Adam. but notice the FOWL of the Air was made on DAY 5, and Adam was here before the Fowl of the air. supportive scripture, back to Genesis chapter 1. Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth." Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."
BINGO, Adam was here before every winged fowl after his kind. so, Adam was here before the "Winged fowl", and even before the water animals according to Genesis 1:21 which was DAY 5.
so, we have two events that tells us that man was here before the animals, both water and land.
here Moses wrote what had happen in the Garden when Adam and Eve had children in the garden... BEFORE they had Cain and Able outside the Garden, hence is where the sons of God came from in chapter 6.
if you have any legitimate question, please ask.
101G.
praise_yeshua
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Sure. God took a rib and include it in what He made. Adam lost a rib. Eve was formed with His rib. God is great.
I'm not arguing with God. I'm arguing with YOU. You're not God and you don't speak for Him. He speaks for Himself.
Never said Eve was a plant. Adam was formed from the dust of the earth.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
Do you mind reading 1 Timothy 2:13 several times and let those "sink in"?
Sure. However, Eve was made in the likeness of Adam. This isn't complicated.
I argue with myself all the time. It is called "thinking"..... ."reasoning". It might do you good to consider yourself corrected. There is Grace to be found in admitting you're wrong.
101G
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Adam Mother was the EARTH, from which he came out of, and his Father is God who beget him out of his mother the Earth.
101G.
101G
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so thank for proving 101G point. eve was formed from the dust of the earth which was Adam.
101G
praise_yeshua
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I didn't prove anything for you. There is dust all around us. God took dust that was not part of Adam and formed Eve. A "rib" came from Adam.
There is meaning in this but it certainly doesn't have anything to do with what you're saying.
101G
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is Adam DUST? and from ADAM/DUST he made Eve/the Woman.... and this was done on day 6. yes, Adam was formed/Manifested first, then the Woman. for both are of the same DUST. and both are ADAMS in Name.
101G
praise_yeshua
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It is the opposing argument to what you said. Nothing more. "points" form thoughts.... which help us establish conclusions. I fight for every "point" or characteristic to argument. If we don't get them ALL right, then we have a flawed conclusion.
Give you an example, one of favorite parts of any movie is found in a scene with Keanu Reeves in the "The Day the Earth Stood Still". It was when Keanu walked up the professor's chalkboard and with just a few changes to the professor's "equation"..... it all made sense to what the professor was trying to understand.
It is little things that make a difference.
Pancho Frijoles
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By respect, @synergy and @civic, I am referring to this:
DNA reflects God's wisdom and providence.
Random reactions could never have created the complex set of instructions that DNA convey.
In DNA we have instructions for every single structure within our cells to perform a diversity of duties. It has also the instructions on how to interact with nearby cells and the surrounding environment. We praise God for this.
Therefore, if we respect DNA as a reflection of God's wisdom, we should also respect that it contains the instructions to age and die.
Biological immortality would be catastrophic... particularly in the face of reproduction, which was part of the plan of God.
So, in the programmed death instructions present in all species, including men, we find the DNA reflecting God's love.
We cannot say that some of the DNA reflects God's plan and some reflect Adam's sin... the same way we could not say that we accept some teachings from Jesus but reject others.
We cannot say that it is God's plan that antelopes eat grass, but it is Adam's sin what makes leopards eat antelopes. That would show lack of respect for reality, through which God manifests.
praise_yeshua
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The word Adam in English is more than just a reference to a "human". It is a proper name. Don't buy into such nonsense.
Adam was personified in form. Eve was too. Two shall become one flesh.
Our death proves we all come from dust. "Dust" is a unique in composition at times. Dust is made up of substances. If I tell you everything I believe about this, I'll lose you for certain.....
Dust is somewhat of a "Petrie" dish of substances. It is more than just DNA that connects us.
civic
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wrong as sin has consequences and God is Just in the results of sin and the fall with death, destruction, punishment, hell, etc........
when everything was created good there were no carnivores- that is a result of sin and the curse.
hope this helps !!!
Pancho Frijoles
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It is not unscientific as such knowledge has been obtained following the methods of science.
And as I have said, it doesn't matter that we datation measurements have a margin of error. Those margins allow us to state with total certainty that trilobites, for example, got extinct millions of years before the appearance of men. So, death precedes man by far.
Also, we know with total certainty that the immorality of a man cannot automatically affect the genes of all other species to induce death.
For those of us who value the Bible, we respect the purpose of the Bible, written in the Bible itself.
I will repeat it as many times as needed:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim 3:16,17)
civic
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I'm sorry but Mt Saint Helens disproves the millions of years "theory" which are not facts with the petrified wood and strata layers that are identical with the Grand Canyon which happened via a CATACLISMIC EVENT just like the FLOOD in Noahs day.
The dating methods are wrong as proven by Mount ST Helens which dated it millions of years which we know was false since it happened right before our very own eyes.
conclusion: scientific dating is a joke, a myth, a fable and God is True and let everyman be found to be a liar.
next science fallacy.
101G
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Oh yes 101G will, for Adam is MANKIND, and in christ Jesus there is neither MALE nor FEMALE. and as for the Name, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." in Christ Jesus we all are the same .
101G
101G
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Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"
101G.
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