Do physical bodies die because of Adam's sin?

[TedT]

So you believe God gets everything He wants? I'm perfect example of that not being true at all.

You make up a straw man argument to knock down about my thoughts that is just not true...

I do not believe GOD gets everything HE wants in the least. HE created everyone in HIS image which made them able to become HIS Bride and Church if they wanted to but HE gave us all a free will able to choose to accept HIS proposal or to reject it. Satan and hell is the proof that some rejected HIS plan for creation and scorned HIS offer of a life with HIM in heaven.

 

[civic]

It is not only my opinion, it is reality. Please Don’t deny reality. Denying reality is denying the power of God.
And it is not God’s intention to talk about the biological origin of thorns, but about suffering.
Please review the metaphor:
Man works hard to extract food from soil. He finds big obstacles (“thorns and thistles”) In the same way, being separated from God prevents us from obtaining spiritual nutrients.

Thorns are the reflection of God’s wisdom, not of sin.
Thorns are not a curse. They are the metaphor of a curse.

The Bible is reality , God is reality , this world and its system is the grand illusion. Let God be true and every man be made a liar. Bible 101.

It’s the testing ground for where a person will spends heaven or hell for all eternity

 

[TedT]

How does an animal sin in the manner Adam sinned?

I'm pretty sure that this could happen if a spirit who had rejected GOD as a liar and a false god was sown by the devil, Matt 13:36-39, into an animal. Whether this is possible I have no idea. If there is another explanation I'd love to hear it but remember, the animals were also destroyed with mankind in Noah's flood for their sinful violent nature...

 

[TedT]

Genesis 2:20 "... but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

Does not this phrase sum up the essence of this story that has GOD trying to get Adam to accept the mate, Eve, which HE has for Adam while Adam seeks desperately among the animals to avoid her...?

Why would GOD want Adam to seek for Eve amongst the animals while he named them when GOD knew HE had Eve waiting in the wings???

Why is Adam resisting his LORD and how can he be doing this if he isn't sinful?

 

[TedT]

The "elect" are a Bride. Like Adam had a bride in Eve.

You see this entirely wrong. A Bride is willing or their compliance is meaningless to the Husband.

Again you seem to have misconstrued for whatever reason what I contend... I contend that all people ever created in HIS image were created able to be HIS bride! I contend that this is what it means to be created in HIS image, ie, you are able to become HIS Bride if you choose to be so!! No free will choice to accept HIS proposal and there is no true marriage!

Make the choice to marry YHWH your GOD and you are then chosen, elected, by HIM for salvation from any sin you might fall into. Reject HIM by your free will as your GOD and husband and you are condemned at that moment as unfit to fulfil HIS plan for your creation.

 

[synergy]

It is not always historical knowledge.

Pagans myths sometimes are really useful in God’s hands.
Pagan does not mean “bad”.
Myth does not mean “lie”.

Such a fundamental truth that God decreed that all men would experience separation of body and soul as a result of Adam's sin is just a pagan myth???? Seriously????

Tell us more indoctrinations that the Baha'i faith is imposing its followers.

 

[TedT]

Very interesting thoughts, my brother.
Even if some Israelites at that time believed in reincarnation, the point here is that blindness was not the “karma” from past sins.

I make no hint to reincarnation here or elsewhere. Karma as an idea blasphemes the fact that all suffering is YHWH's reaction (and only YHWH's reaction) to sinfulness, not to anything natural.

If you think that Pre-Conception Existence refers to reincarnation you are still in a theological swamp, sigh.

 

[TedT]

Such a fundamental truth that God decreed that all men would experience separation of body and soul as a result of Adam's sin is just a pagan myth???? Seriously????

Well, it is a Christian myth so don't be too flabbergasted, sigh.

 

[synergy]

Well, it is a Christian myth so don't be too flabbergasted, sigh.

Paul says that all Scripture is inspired by God, meaning there is no pagan mythology anywhere in Scripture. Do you believe Paul?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I make no hint to reincarnation here or elsewhere. Karma as an idea blasphemes the fact that all suffering is YHWH's reaction (and only YHWH's reaction) to sinfulness, not to anything natural.

If you think that Pre-Conception Existence refers to reincarnation you are still in a theological swamp, sigh.

I do not, TedT.
I was just following your thoughts on the people who asked Jesus if that blind had sinned.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Paul says that all Scripture is inspired by God, meaning there is no pagan mythology anywhere in Scripture. Do you believe Paul?

Do you believe Paul?
Paul states clearly what the purpose of Scripture is. Such purpose is not to make men equipped to understand biology, geology or astronomy.
Do you believe Paul, synergy?
All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Now, do you know what “inspired” means?
Inspired DOES NOT mean dictated.
Inspired means guided, influenced by God. It makes reference etymologically to the breath, the wind, the invisible influence of God in the mind of the authors.
But even if it had been dictated, God can use myths, parables, metaphors, as He wishes.

Myths are not lies.
Myths are tools to teach truths.
Creation in six days, the Fall, the Flood, are all myths… and that’s a good thing. Praise be to God, The Supreme Teacher!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Such a fundamental truth that God decreed that all men would experience separation of body and soul as a result of Adam's sin is just a pagan myth???? Seriously????

If it is fundamental… does it mean that is necessary to believe or confess in order to have access to God’s grace?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The Bible is reality , God is reality , this world and its system is the grand illusion.

Cells and DNA and atoms are also reality.
In the same way you cannot uphold one book of the Bible and deny another book of the Bible, you cannot uphold the Bible and reject cells, DNA and atoms.

Let God be true and every man be made a liar. Bible 101.

Who created nature? men or God?
So, why would you deny nature?

It’s the testing ground for where a person will spends heaven or hell for all eternity

Is it ?
Is it necessary for salvation to believe that God created the universe in six days?
Is it necessary for salvation to believe that God create Eve from a rib of Adam?
Is it necessary for salvation to believe that no trilobites had died before the sin of Adam?

 

[synergy]

Do you believe Paul?
Paul states clearly what the purpose of Scripture is. Such purpose is not to make men equipped to understand biology, geology or astronomy.
Do you believe Paul, synergy?
All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Now, do you know what “inspired” means?
Inspired DOES NOT mean dictated.
Inspired means guided, influenced by God. It makes reference etymologically to the breath, the wind, the invisible influence of God in the mind of the authors.
But even if it had been dictated, God can use myths, parables, metaphors, as He wishes.

Myths are not lies.
Myths are tools to teach truths.
Creation in six days, the Fall, the Flood, are all myths… and that’s a good thing. Praise be to God, The Supreme Teacher!

You continue to desecrate the Bible as pagan myths. Carry on with your myths, your befriending of death, your denial of the Cross, and your allegiance to your god of death Allah.

 

[synergy]

Do you believe Paul?
Paul states clearly what the purpose of Scripture is. Such purpose is not to make men equipped to understand biology, geology or astronomy.
Do you believe Paul, synergy?
All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Now, do you know what “inspired” means?
Inspired DOES NOT mean dictated.
Inspired means guided, influenced by God. It makes reference etymologically to the breath, the wind, the invisible influence of God in the mind of the authors.
But even if it had been dictated, God can use myths, parables, metaphors, as He wishes.

Myths are not lies.
Myths are tools to teach truths.
Creation in six days, the Fall, the Flood, are all myths… and that’s a good thing. Praise be to God, The Supreme Teacher!

Since Allah does in fact wallow in pagan myths then of course it's normal for you to see God as communicating pagan myths. It all makes sense.

 

[synergy]

If it is fundamental… does it mean that is necessary to believe or confess in order to have access to God’s grace?

It is fundamental to the reason behind the Cross and Resurrection. Of course you follow the God of death (allah) that has no desire to see us saved from eternal death.

 

[Jim]

HE gave every person created in HIS image the power to disrupt HIS plan for creating a Church and a Bride for HIMself by giving us a free will to decide for ourselves if we wanted to join HIS church or to marry HIM.

God created man in His image, meaning that He gave (or formed) each and every human being a spirit. It is in that spirit that man is created in God's image. The human spirit is, among other things, the connection we have with God giving us the ability to know, understand, comprehend, believe God at some level and then choose to believe in God or not. Believing in God is faith. It comes from hearing (or reading) the gospel message. Obeying the gospel leads to salvation.

 

[civic]

Cells and DNA and atoms are also reality.
In the same way you cannot uphold one book of the Bible and deny another book of the Bible, you cannot uphold the Bible and reject cells, DNA and atoms.


Who created nature? men or God?
So, why would you deny nature?

Is it ?
Is it necessary for salvation to believe that God created the universe in six days?
Is it necessary for salvation to believe that God create Eve from a rib of Adam?
Is it necessary for salvation to believe that no trilobites had died before the sin of Adam?

DNA proves God is reality.

 

[civic]

Since Allah does in fact wallow in pagan myths then of course it's normal for you to see God as communicating pagan myths. It all makes sense.

Myths are lies , Genesis is facts not myths.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

DNA proves God is reality.

Then, please show respect to science as you show respect to the study of the Bible