Do physical bodies die because of Adam's sin?

praise_yeshua said:
I'm talking specifically about your appeal to Adam having no blood till he sinned? Did I read that wrong?
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listen closely, Genesis 2:21 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;" Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." Genesis 2:23 "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Genesis 2:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

so where is "BLOOD of MY BLOOD?"...... did he have blood, before? remember Adam was made on day three .... Eve came on day 6.

101G.
 
synergy said:
Correct. People forget the fact that the Garden of Eden was a Garden where God was setting up a unique environment for this unique intriguing creature called Adam.
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It was the place wherein the satanic reprobate who were flung into the earth, Rev 12:4-9, could meet and live together with the sinful elect, Matt 13:27-30, for the first time and so set the stage for us to learn that the satanic enslavement to hatred and sin was eternal which forced their banishment to the outer darkness to be eternal which has been the plague holding back the sanctification of the sheep gone astray thru all time.

Come out from among them and touch not their evil is the command repeated constantly yet is the least followed by HIS church who refuse to condemn the reprobate to hell.
 
101G said:
listen closely, Genesis 2:21 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;" Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." Genesis 2:23 "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Genesis 2:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

so where is "BLOOD of MY BLOOD?"...... did he have blood, before? remember Adam was made on day three .... Eve came on day 6.

101G.
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Bone is a part of our physical body. Bone returns to dust. Why are you assuming this is an indication of the lack of blood. God didn't do surgery to Adam. He put him to sleep to avoid pain. Adam lost a rib. No bloodshed required. From Adam's lose came Eve.
 
praise_yeshua said:
Bone is a part of our physical body. Bone returns to dust. Why are you assuming this is an indication of the lack of blood. God didn't do surgery to Adam. He put him to sleep to avoid pain. Adam lost a rib. No bloodshed required. From Adam's lose came Eve.
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Eve was in Adam when God made him.

101G
 
praise_yeshua said:
Really? There is no indication of this in the narrative. What makes you believe this?
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did God scoop up any other dust, or did he used existing dust... the man Adam. scripture, Genesis 2:21 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;" Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." so, the woman is of, of, of, the man.

101G.
 
101G said:
did God scoop up any other dust, or did he used existing dust... the man Adam. scripture, Genesis 2:21 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;" Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." so, the woman is of, of, of, the man.

101G.
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Does Eve have more bones that just the rib taken from Adam? If so then more "dust" is required.

In these natural bodies of ours there remains seeds. Not seed. SEEDS plural. Eve was seeded in the makeup of Adam. Seed requires external "ground" to exist and grow.

If we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall also be clothed in the image of the heavenly.
 
Unless you can magic Adam who was the third to sin in the garden to mean he was the first to sin rather than he was the first sinner to be sowed into the garden by the breath of GOD, Matt 13:36-39, then there is a problem...third means third, not first, eh?
 
Pancho Frijoles said:
“As Jesus passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned. But it happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.”
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Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind: John 9:1–3
1 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

How does it make sense that the disciples ask if the man was BORN blind due to his own sin if they did not believe in the pre-existence of the spirit/person able to sin before their birth on earth?

Notice Jesus did not chastise them for making an error about the nature of their creation but only about the reason for his suffering.

Funny that the Jewish culture of this time did not teach the pre-conception of our spirits but in less that 3 years with Jesus, His disciples seem to have learned to believe it.

Anyone want to guess why this question has been passed over for notice for almost 2000 yrs outside of pure eisegetic commitment to the created on earth theology?
 
praise_yeshua said:
Death reigned over those who didn't sin like Adam.
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ImCo:
Adam could be a type for those who accepted YHWH as his GOD but who then rebelled against HIS command anyway...ie, a sheep gone astray, a prodigal son gone to Sin City, ie, a sinful believer, Jn 3:18.

Those who sinned not in his type are the Satanic, those who repudiated YHWH's claims and rebuked HIM as a liar and therefore a false god and, as a never believer, they were condemned already, Jn 3:18.
 
civic said:
Nope God said it was His curse. I will believe Gods word over your opinion on the topic.
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It is not only my opinion, it is reality. Please Don’t deny reality. Denying reality is denying the power of God.
And it is not God’s intention to talk about the biological origin of thorns, but about suffering.
Please review the metaphor:
Man works hard to extract food from soil. He finds big obstacles (“thorns and thistles”) In the same way, being separated from God prevents us from obtaining spiritual nutrients.

Thorns are the reflection of God’s wisdom, not of sin.
Thorns are not a curse. They are the metaphor of a curse.
 
praise_yeshua said:
Adam purposely sinned to save Eve. Adam knew what he was doing. Eve was deceived. Adam's sin wasn't about just disobeying God. It was about Adam's choice in Eve over God.
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While your interpretation is focused in the right direction, I don't think he thought he could save her...but rather he didn't trust GOD's mercy and grace for his sinful friend so he chose to do that which would allow him to accompany her into her being sown into the earth, Mat 13:36-39, so as to experience with her the incredibly destructive nature and the cause of all suffering ie, the serpent and the rest of the reprobate, Matt 13:27-30, so, as sinners, HIS elect on earth would learn to give up their friendship with serpents.

Eve could be characterized as the type for those who chose to accept YHWH and become HIS elect but who idolized their reprobate friends, ie, the serpents, over their GOD when GOD commanded them to come out from among them and to not touch their evil...

while Adam could be characterized as the type for those who, though they repudiated the reprobate non-elect, still idolized their sinful elect friends over their rejection of GOD's command to come out from among them...
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TedT said:
Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind: John 9:1–3
1 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

How does it make sense that the disciples ask if the man was BORN blind due to his own sin if they did not believe in the pre-existence of the spirit/person able to sin before their birth on earth?

Notice Jesus did not chastise them for making an error about the nature of their creation but only about the reason for his suffering.

Funny that the Jewish culture of this time did not teach the pre-conception of our spirits but in less that 3 years with Jesus, His disciples seem to have learned to believe it.

Anyone want to guess why this question has been passed over for notice for almost 2000 yrs outside of pure eisegetic commitment to the created on earth theology?
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Very interesting thoughts, my brother.
Even if some Israelites at that time believed in reincarnation, the point here is that blindness was not the “karma” from past sins.
 

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