Did God Predestinate some to Hell/Wrath ?
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Doug Brents
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Just sad. He certainly could, but He told us that He didn't. You never have answered correctly: According to Rom 8:29, upon what does God base His predestination?
brightfame52
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He did
Doug Brents
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But He told us that He didn't.
You never have answered correctly: According to Rom 8:29, upon what does God base His predestination?
brightfame52
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The foreknown in Rom 8:29 are the persons of the elect, the elect are predestinated to conformity to Christ, and predestination is according to Gods will Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us[the foreknown] in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Doug Brents
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READ Rom 8:29 again. READ what it actually says, don't read into it what you want to see.
Rom 8:29 - "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters;"
Now, who did He predestine to become conformed to the image of His Son? Those He foreknew.
That means that it is upon His foreknowledge of who would honor Him that He predestined them to be made like His Son. They weren't already His. They weren't already elect. He made them "the elect" because He already knew the choices they would make. He didn't arbitrarily select this one to be saved and this one to not be. He gave us choice.
civic
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civic
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ya the conformity to Christ is an afterthought lol.
brightfame52
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Ive read it hundreds of times.
Doug Brents
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READ it. Don't just run your eyes over the print. Read it to understand it. Read it asking God to open the meaning to your. You have been blinded by your false calvinistic teachers, and need to be freed from their influence.
brightfame52
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God determined what each of us believe. 2 Thess 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Vs 13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
brightfame52
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Ive read it hundreds of times and studied it over the last 50 years
civic
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So let me get this right.
We are both "believers" children of the King.
But God has determined we do not believe the same about many doctrines.
That makes God the god of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:43 declares God is not the God of confusion.
So which is it /
civic
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Do you lean towards reformed theology ?
FreeInChrist
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That's one of my verses.... stop using it.... It proves of God's foreknowledge
You believe solely in predestination. Leave foreknown alone because they do not go hand in hand with your beliefs
I am a Reformed Baptist, but before that was an Evangelical Arminian , and do not get too heated in discussion, as can see both sides of the argument
Doug Brents
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Not enough, clearly. And clearly not with the guidance of the Spirit.
civic
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Thanks for sharing
brightfame52
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lol what kind of comment is that
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