Cool. Thank you for adding a wild band, and your subjective opinion concerning the subject Frank! No reason to debate; just cry when angels deserve to die.
Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?
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Frank Russell
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if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. (2 Timothy 2:13)
Frank Russell
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Jesus was an angel .. so you're a mormon?
Eh…. how did God die then? If Yahavah would have remained with Yeshua, he would have continued to live, but Jesus took on sin, does God take on sin and can he live inside sin?
In general, Jesus was a messenger, sometimes defined as angel…
In a sense Jesus was an angel… you get it now?
I’m just playing with words off the video you thought I might like. I don’t listen to that hard stuff as much. The sound of silence, is a lot to take in, or a good groove trap beat, ya know?
Frank Russell
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he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms (Ephesians 1:20)
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Corinthians 5:21)
Frank Russell
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I figured you'd like it since it agreed with you.
That did not answer my questions.
Well, if you have stood firm in your stance. That is great news!
Because either God died on the cross, or he did not… and God doesn’t die… or does he?
Guess the question will remain a mystery, may people seek out the Father in spirit and in truth.
It’s old, but yeah when I was younger no doubt. And Mindless self indulgence - Bed of Roses, with Insane clown posse and Eminem, too. Suicide Silence - Mitch lucker has a fantastic voice even today, though he passes away… lot of styles never really reaching country or blues or jazz.
Frank Russell
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The Trinity is indeed a mystery.
Did Jesus get left by God on the cross?
It’s a toss up between yes, and no…
With only his words to go on…
Forsake but a moment of time, for many mercies to come? Even though the scripture refers to Israel in that instance?
Some say Yahavah poured his wrath out on Jesus… that’s not true at all…
Indeed, one I strive to throw far out in to a hay field and just leave it there. God desired to be known, and his name is Yahavah. Jesus prayed for people to come to “know” the true God, and Jesus Christ, the one whom he had sent….
So is it possible to know the true God? I believe it is, it’s his love poured out into peoples hearts whom decide to worship the Father in spirit and in truth…
Anyone telling anyone else otherwise is being misleading…
It’s a toss up between yes, and no…
With only his words to go on…
Forsake but a moment of time, for many mercies to come? Even though the scripture refers to Israel in that instance?
Some say Yahavah poured his wrath out on Jesus… that’s not true at all…
Indeed, one I strive to throw far out in to a hay field and just leave it there. God desired to be known, and his name is Yahavah. Jesus prayed for people to come to “know” the true God, and Jesus Christ, the one whom he had sent….
So is it possible to know the true God? I believe it is, it’s his love poured out into peoples hearts whom decide to worship the Father in spirit and in truth…
Anyone telling anyone else otherwise is being misleading…
Frank Russell
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Jesus became sin on the cross, so all access to the Father was no longer visible.
Jesus illustrates in this saying, that he experienced all that humans experience: including a perception of God not being there .. though God is always there.
This is an important question. Especially for people struggling with Christian OCD and Intrusive Thoughts.
Okay.
I believe it was the first time that the Holy Spirit of Yahavah had left Yeshua and thus the calling out to God, was affirmed.
That’s what I believe doesn’t make it true or not…
Yahavah was not in that body of sin. I’ll tell you that..
Hope they find rest for their souls, under learning from the Lord Yeshua.
Frank Russell
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From the Psalm, God is presented as one who is there even in the depths of sheol.
Since a dead body is considered an unclean thing, for God to be in the place of the dead, I don't get the sense that God is as allergic to sin as some people let on.
No one said that God was allergic to sin. You are correct that God is there even in the depth of Sheol. However the only part that is missing is separation upon, the one set of sin. The wages of sin, which was death. Wasn’t that the weight of the old agreement? If you do this, you will be bless by God, if you do not do this, you will be cursed by God and didn’t this Law only apply to the nation of Israel, which Jesus is fulfilling, and partaking in death, being separated from his once prior position being with God, to earth, and now, down to Sheol…
Gods Word was still present, as it would be the soul of Jesus, as the (heart/will/mind), though Jesus had a will of his own he did was was the will of the Father…
Thus, upon sin, and separation there is a moment in time where one sees “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?” Then upon this, Jesus gives up his life, and goes forward on to hell…
What is also interesting about Sheol and though God is presented to be there, no one was ever in heaven actually with God until the price of sin was paid and they were raised back from the dead into new spiritual beings, and some going into the lake of fire, and some on the outside of the heavenly city gates now today…
Back then, even Jesus didn’t go up to his Father until ascending up, but he was separated just as the souls in Noah’s time were, from the ones not in prison.
It’s interesting… I guess in theory, if it is a theory… or my subjective view concerning.
civic
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An angel ? Got scripture?
… I was using it as the addressing for a messenger. He was, a messenger?
Not to blur the lines with anything else….
@Rockson i don’t believe that anyone has any authority to make anyone believe anything that they may say. In order to be right with Yahavah is to believe on him and the one who he had sent. Yeshua. Who raised again for the justification of the payment of sin being had. Allowing all in faith access to the throne of Yahavah.
People can try to place concerns on others when it’s normally themselves that need to look in the mirror concerning themselves before Yahava.
A person can care to share beliefs but dogma stances are generally something I frown upon, especially when it’s based on “ so scripture say” and not based on how does this harmoniously sound taken in by the spirit.
Does it infringe upon freedom? Or does it allow thought? Reasoning? Wisdom? Ultimately love for those in different positions, but understanding and doing so by the spirit…
Not in “my 60 years plus experience in reading scriptures own this 30 year old boy” I got the right to say so attitude and you better submit to me young man I’m your elder!
So much abuse in the church let alone those mislead… be it in church or online to sow a 1,000$ seed for the holy trinity God to bless you sevenfold…. Or anything that is just manmade traditions puff the flesh up and not the spirit.
People can try to place concerns on others when it’s normally themselves that need to look in the mirror concerning themselves before Yahava.
A person can care to share beliefs but dogma stances are generally something I frown upon, especially when it’s based on “ so scripture say” and not based on how does this harmoniously sound taken in by the spirit.
Does it infringe upon freedom? Or does it allow thought? Reasoning? Wisdom? Ultimately love for those in different positions, but understanding and doing so by the spirit…
Not in “my 60 years plus experience in reading scriptures own this 30 year old boy” I got the right to say so attitude and you better submit to me young man I’m your elder!
So much abuse in the church let alone those mislead… be it in church or online to sow a 1,000$ seed for the holy trinity God to bless you sevenfold…. Or anything that is just manmade traditions puff the flesh up and not the spirit.
civic
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What verse says Jesus is a messenger ?
civic
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You are over 60 years old in your 70’s ?
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