Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?

Your debate ploys @civic are just annoying…

So much for your scripture quoting… it did you not one bit of good…
They show your interpretation of Jesus words are wrong. I’ve written pages proving His words are a declaration He is the Messiah. I don’t think you understand God or the atonement in scripture which is why you don’t understand Jesus words on proclaiming being forsaken. You can’t isolate those words from the rest of the Bible or you come up with an unbiblical doctrine.
 
They show your interpretation of Jesus words are wrong. I’ve written pages proving His words are a declaration He is the Messiah.

Why do you think I should care though? You always say. I’m right you’re wrong.

Hope this helps…

It doesn’t man… you’re just fooling around.

I believe that Christ within Jesus left him…

Why aren’t you able to say such a thing? Because to you Jesus is God… and the whole trinity thing really gets people into a lot of mess…

Guess God died on the cross! And Jesus was lying about God forsaking him… cause it’s all based on “feelings.”
 
Why do you think I should care though? You always say. I’m right you’re wrong.

Hope this helps…

It doesn’t man… you’re just fooling around.

I believe that Christ within Jesus left him…

Why aren’t you able to say such a thing? Because to you Jesus is God… and the whole trinity thing really gets people into a lot of mess…

Guess God died on the cross! And Jesus was lying about God forsaking him… cause it’s all based on “feelings.”
you can believe whatever you want but there is not one verse you can quote saying

the Christ left Jesus.

that is flat out heresy. He is the Messiah- Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. All the fullness of Deity dwells in Him- PERMANENTLY.

That DEITY/ GODHEAD was always in Him, with Him and never departed from Him.

God does not leave God. You have Light becoming darkness.
 
They show your interpretation of Jesus words are wrong. I’ve written pages proving His words are a declaration He is the Messiah. I don’t think you understand God or the atonement in scripture which is why you don’t understand Jesus words on proclaiming being forsaken. You can’t isolate those words from the rest of the Bible or you come up with an unbiblical doctrine.
Why should I care what you think?

Who are you to say I don’t… anything.
 
I go by the spirit… not some rote scriptures systemically written out….

Who cares that you shared scripture that provides evidence that Yahavah did not forsake Jesus?

You saying Jesus was lying? God didn’t forsake him?

You see how diverting you can be by just saying “oh I showed you scripture; case closed!”
I see you're still endless repeating the same claim over and over again.

How was Jesus forsaken on the cross by the Father? Care to explain?

Maybe instead of just making a claim, relative to what you believe a particular phrase Jesus stated means, you could actually do the work and define how Christ was forsaken?

Maybe you have, I haven't seen it. I don't believe the "Spirit of God" is leading you without means of explanation.
 
you can believe whatever you want but there is not one verse you can quote saying

the Christ left Jesus.

that is flat out heresy. He is the Messiah- Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. All the fullness of Deity dwells in Him- PERMANENTLY.

That DEITY/ GODHEAD was always in Him, with Him and never departed from Him.

God does not leave God. You have Light becoming darkness.

No one said Jesus wasn’t the Messiah. However the one whom was anointing him, was within him… Yahavah… who left, him at the cross… and Yeshua, then gave up his life to his Father…

God forsook Jesus by leaving his body… they were separated… just like Adam and Eve in the Garden… it’s all a picture and type of what would come… when Yeshua who close this gap of separation for everyone in the world…

Jesus, as the Word of God (the soul within Yeshua,) went on words to hell, and is even seen crossing the chasm, which he spoke a parable of Lazarus and the Rich, concerning “Sheol,” or Paradise and Prison.

Jesus did many amazing things, he suggest for us to worship his Father in spirit and in truth, and I believe that is the one whom I shall follow after in his teachings and not so much the doctrines of man…

You can believe how you want to as well, it has not effect on salvation… you just simply disagree with the Word of God dying on the cross, and instead believe it was God dying on the cross, and there was no forsaking going on…

Well that suggest to me a problem… because the one whom claim is your king, says …

“My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?”

Can you answer why this happened for me? To me it is Christ (God in Christ) forsaking him, and there you have the fleshly side of Jesus taking on death… in separation from his Father.
 
God forsook Jesus by leaving his body… they were separated… just like Adam and Eve in the Garden… it’s all a picture and type of what would come… when Yeshua who close this gap of separation for everyone in the world…

Keep going........Jesus's body didn't even decay. Adam and Eve wasn't forsaken in the Garden. Prove it.

Jesus, as the Word of God (the soul within Yeshua,) went on words to hell, and is even seen crossing the chasm, which he spoke a parable of Lazarus and the Rich, concerning “Sheol,” or Paradise and Prison.

What chasm? Prove it. I see traditions. I see false doctrine without evidence.

Jesus did many amazing things, he suggest for us to worship his Father in spirit and in truth, and I believe that is the one whom I shall follow after in his teachings and not so much the doctrines of man…

Many worshipped Jesus. Has anyone worshipped you?

You can believe how you want to as well, it has not effect on salvation… you just simply disagree with the Word of God dying on the cross, and instead believe it was God dying on the cross, and there was no forsaking going on…

Well that suggest to me a problem… because the one whom claim is your king, says …

“My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?”

Can you answer why this happened for me? To me it is Christ (God in Christ) forsaking him, and there you have the fleshly side of Jesus taking on death… in separation from his Father.

Do death separates us from the Father?

You have a poor understanding of death. The death of Christ was precious to the Father. He was pleased. No forsaking involved.
 
Keep going........Jesus's body didn't even decay. Adam and Eve wasn't forsaken in the Garden. Prove it.



What chasm? Prove it. I see traditions. I see false doctrine without evidence.



Many worshipped Jesus. Has anyone worshipped you?



Do death separates us from the Father?

You have a poor understanding of death. The death of Christ was precious to the Father. He was pleased. No forsaking involved.

Then why does Jesus proclaim the forsaking…

That’s what I don’t get about people not understanding…

Everyone before Yeshua was resurrected… died and went to a place called Sheol… it was a place where souls resided until judgment day, and sin has been taken care of…

People who died, prior, did not go on to be with Yahavah, right away. Their sins were what had not yet been paid for and it kept them separated from God…

God in a way deserted Adam and Eve, to their own vices, once being able to have a relationship with God openly without shame, only until sin became within the body of Adam and Eve, which Yahavah makes the decision to lead them out of the Garden… in which they would not have access to the tree of life…

In a sense forsaking them, or leaving them to which he had commanded, outside of his presence… at one time it is said, that Adam and Eve could speak with God freely and he would speak by and through the wind… in the minds of the Hebrew people….

People have an issue with God and sin… God can not indwell sin, nor does he commit any sin… he has changed his mind on things, however… God by his Holy Spirit never stayed with anyone longer than the Lord Yeshua, it was the very life of Yahavah, within him… as the Christ (God in Christ.)

And there you have it… Jesus crying “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?”

Left to die… in this body of sin… but think about it for a moment. Yeshua even left alone still called out to Yahavah, and was heard though they had been separated at this time…

But people don’t agree, they say “show scripture.”

Sometimes you have to go by the Spirit… not so much the scripture though they can help prove my own point, shared here.
 
It’s a mystery to me, why people say God did not forsake Christ… other than they don’t understand how God was in Christ… and how Yahavah by his spirit is unable to dwell in sin… because Yeshua had became that sin… through the use of his body, which never did sin… being raised again and restored with Christ, by Yahavah in Christ by his Spirit raising Jesus up again from the dead, and fulfilling the promises which were foreordained…

Either what Jesus is saying is true… or it means something else entirely… to repeatedly say the same rhetoric in which “No God did not forsake the son.”


Why can anyone explain it?
 
Then why does Jesus proclaim the forsaking…

I've told you before and you rejected it. He was dying. His life was leaving His body. He wasn't actually forsaken.

Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

That’s what I don’t get about people not understanding…

Sometimes you have to go by the Spirit… not so much the scripture though they can help prove my own point, shared here.

Better men than yourself have written the Scriptures. The Spirit doesn't contradict the Scriptures.

1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

We are not forsaken. Neither was Christ.

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2Co 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
2Co 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
 
It’s a mystery to me

Unbelief has blinded your mind.

, why people say God did not forsake Christ… other than they don’t understand how God was in Christ… and how Yahavah by his spirit is unable to dwell in sin…

Then why in the world are YOU claiming to be lead of the Spirit of God when you are such a sinful person? The flesh profits what?

because Yeshua had became that sin… through the use of his body, which never did sin… being raised again and restored with Christ, by Yahavah in Christ by his Spirit raising Jesus up again from the dead, and fulfilling the promises which were foreordained…

Either what Jesus is saying is true… or it means something else entirely… to repeatedly say the same rhetoric in which “No God did not forsake the son.”


Why can anyone explain it?

It has been explained to you.

It really said how traditions have ruined you. Jesus became sin when He was born. It lasted His entire earthy life.

Did Mary wipe the waste away from Jesus's backside so He wouldn't get diaper rash? Did Jesus get diarrhea? Did Christ cry from the pain He endured in his flesh?

All you have are traditions. Jesus suffered from sin His entire life.

It is a mystery to me how you miss the obvious.
 
He was or he wasn’t…

that is all that will suffice.

Jesus is the one who said it… I believe it was Christ in him leaving him…

Anyway… what’s the point in discussing when you disagree anyway? @praise_yeshua.



I believe continued; Christ in Jesus left, him on the cross and therefore was forsaken…

You disagree. It’s cool. We don’t have to agree to love one another.
 
He was or he wasn’t…

that is all that will suffice.

Jesus is the one who said it… I believe it was Christ in him leaving him…

Anyway… what’s the point in discussing when you disagree anyway? @praise_yeshua.



I believe continued; Christ in Jesus left, him on the cross and therefore was forsaken…

You disagree. It’s cool. We don’t have to agree to love one another.

Agreed brother. Just arguing the point.... :)
 
I've told you before and you rejected it. He was dying. His life was leaving His body. He wasn't actually forsaken.

Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

That’s what I don’t get about people not understanding…



Better men than yourself have written the Scriptures. The Spirit doesn't contradict the Scriptures.

1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

We are not forsaken. Neither was Christ.

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2Co 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
2Co 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
Amen
 
Yeah, no worries, man. You could argue that point all day long in the end it comes down to the person that read it and what they assume or take out what is written down in that book.

Hopefully by the spirit
Some read the same Bible and believe lies . Truth is objective not subjective or relative
 
Some read the same Bible and believe lies . Truth is objective not subjective or relative

Yeah. Truth. What is that?

People telling me I believe what happened to Jesus on the cross had stated it was a lie… but who am I to believe… people who say yes or people who say no…

Does it matter? To a lot of people apparently in the notion of scholarship suggest, I have no idea what the hell I’m talking about…

Has anyone agreed with Jesus, and his statement?

Or do we overwrite it, so we erase what happened?
 
Quoting what Jesus says before his death, has nothing to do with what is happening at his death….

No doubt was Jesus Gods Word made flesh, in my own mind… Gods Word was in the beginning with Yahavah…

However God in Christ, left the body of Yeshua on the cross to die for the sin of all people, and Yeshua was willingly to go through the pain of separation, in love for his Father and his promises… and Yahavah heard him… though they had been separated by and through the body which took on sin, and the. Yeshua dies and moves on to Sheol, to continue in preaching a message there… until the life giving Spirit of Yahavah, rose him back up from the dead….

People quoting what Jesus said prior has no relation to what is happening here… the Father and the Son are one… one what? One how? One in the sameness of mind, heart, and soul. The Father is the one whom shows his mind, heart and soul (spirit) through His Son, whom chooses to be used by his Father in order to get his will done… that seemingly includes forsaken, in which Yeshua cries out to Yahavah, his Father….

“why have you for forsaken me?” … why do people keep telling me this did not happen? Or that he was just up there singing a tune… maybe a lot of people done realize the pain that Yeshua felt… not only taking on sin, for his Father but being left in separation from his Father due to this happening, which was for… more mercy to be had… in the reconciliation of the World…


Idk if people just aren’t reading or understanding what is being spoken but… damn if people don’t try to wiggle out of what Yeshua states by going on into other territories of the scripture that have no relation to what the subject at hand being spoken about…

Or maybe Jesus never did really cry…
He felt no pain, and temptation was a breeze for him to blow by, without any struggle or hardship…

It was said that God would prepare a lamb for sacrifice, and he did, even “moving out of him” by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah leaving the body of Jesus, …

Why is this hard to grasp? Does it mean that the Father is a monster for what he did? No… I believe Yahavah and his Son went over this really well, before his death came about, through communication by and through the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, the Father of Yeshua, and Yeshua knew that this would be happening, and therefore this cry, shows… the Father and the Son, separating, because God can not die, but it seems the Word of God on the cross did die and was silenced for three days, until being risen up again by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah….

The Father never forgot his promises nor forgot his son… his forsaking is the body of sin which envelopes Yeshua… though never having sinned…


People can’t explain that, they “feel” some type a way about it… just as much as when they see Yahava sending bears to maul children, or something like that or something else which could be considered evil by the traits of humanism, or whatever… but Yahavah is the life giver and the life taker…
 
Or how about how Jesus spoke about killing someone’s children, in revelation…

Whoa! Watch out!

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Normally written in Red Letters.
 
Or how about how Jesus spoke about killing someone’s children, in revelation…

Whoa! Watch out!

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Normally written in Red Letters.
No matthew that’s a joke. Jesus never said that at all… Oh okay, thanks guys. Appericate it…
 
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